My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

[Blessed2]

@Serenity  If women = femininity, what is the need for the word "feminine"?

 

For me, describing femininity / masculinity as "manly" or "womanly" feels like a bastardisation of masculinity and femininity.

 

I feel like this is just new-age / "spiritual" terminology for the same-old gender roles and power game, for the aversion and suppression.

[Blessed2]

Why does this subject make me wanna puke. So much bullshit. I'm almost feeling anger. Fuck all those idiots spewing this nonsense down each others' throats. Fuck anyone telling these bullshit stories about "submissive feminine" and "dominant masculine" and whatnot. Ew. It smells like hidden poop here.

 

(Not talking about anyone here, just expressing emotion)

Edited April 4, 2022 by Blessed2

[Blessed2]

56 minutes ago, Serenity said:

There is no reason to get aggressive, nor rude, or throw at me postmodernist talking points. I get them. My reflection is much more sophisticated than what you project on it.

 

I did not write that to you. I was talking about this subject in general. I was pointing to what I sense, dishonesty around masculine / feminine contextualization.

[Blessed2]

2 hours ago, Serenity said:

Regardless of whether it is directed to me or this subject in general, it's still came off as rude, aggressive and uncalibrated.

 

Anyway, let's move on. I wish you a nice day.

 

Yes, you're right. I'm sorry.

 

It was kind of an emotional burst, written quickly. Sometimes I do that, because it helps to work through the emotion. Didn't think it through this time though. Thanks for pointing out my misbehaviour. 🙂

[Faith]

@Blessed2 💙

[Joseph Maynor]

Leo Gura surprisingly omits  mentioning casinos in his new scams video despite living in Las Vegas for several years now.  We often don't see the scams that are right in front of our eyes.  I love Las Vegas and visit often, but I also know what's what with how Las Vegas properties make their money.  And I don't gamble, but I still enjoy the properties and know almost all of them well -- on and off the Strip and in and out of downtown.  Vegas is nuts and I love it -- but I experience it on my own terms!  What's wierd though is when people are there you can bond with "the other" in a way you can't do in other places.  (Some) people are so open there because they're happy.  There's also the worst of the worst in Las Vegas too -- people that are just way out of control.  But even those people are easy to navigate because you're in freaking Vegas!  It's an adult wonderland.  

 

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Joseph Maynor

[Whimsical]

@Blessed2 @Serenity

As a previous female member of the forum, I totally agree with everything said.  I wouldn't like to post because of the sarky comments or just the feeling of not being taken seriously.  Reading that dating section and everything said about the masculine to feminine dynamics, had me questioning my own femininity and feeling that I'm not feminine enough, and that only the hottest 10/10 girls are the most feminine.  Everyone else out of that category wasn't feminine enough.  Girls shouldn't be too picky because once they hit 30 theyre no good and they won't find a "high value man"!   If you're a woman and don't want to be like a submissive little girl and don't want to be constantly dominated, or you aren't always trying to please a man sexually it means you aren't truly feminine! And if that is the case then just "move on from that girl, and find a better girl" Hearing all of these types of things mess with your sanity.

If you don't prioritise sex and be 'detatched' it means you are a weak man.   I began judging my boyfriend and worrying he wasn't masculine enough. and even though I enjoy organising things in the relationship and making decisions, I began trying to suppress those instincts and expecting that my boyfriend should be the only one exhibiting those traits and i should be taking a back seat and letting him lead, or it means i'm not being feminine enough, and he isn't be masculine enough.

  Anyway, as soon as i stopped going on the forum I stopped caring about all that.  it really made me more neutrotic.

[Phil]

@Whimsical

I hear ya. It’s terrible to hear, but I hear ya. 🤍 Sometimes I’d show a comment to my wife, cause it was so far off it was often very very funny. 

[Aware Wolf]

Leo & Women

 

I asked a zen master once how can one determine if someone is enlightened or not. He said for zen, he could tell because of the shared heritage

and there's questions one can ask that a zen adept would know. But someone from a different system he couldn't do this with. He'd have to watch

their actions. 

 

One of the characteristics of a spiritual awakening is getting  a new relationship with one's understanding of the self. A broader one. The old self doesn't apply. Another characteristic oaa spiritual awakening is the transformative effect. Many people describe a change in their lives like a fire. Fire is often a keyword here, the fire cleaning things out. If there is no CEO self, then other beliefs don't apply either. There's not a self, no caste, no class, no gender. Al these are constructs like the self.  Even in ancient China an early zen master said there was no male or female in Buddha nature. 

 

So perhaps we can evaluate Leo here: How does he act in regards to a personal self? Does Leo have an ego? How does he talk to and relate to others? Does he treat everyone with respect? 

 

I'll let you answer that for yourselves. Leo answered a female friend of mine's post and called her "naughty". This is so condescending. Would Leo have done belittling with a non female forum name? It's so much bullshit because on the Internet, on a Forum, names are just names. If you're responding with respect to somone who calls themselves "Ramana6969" and belittling someone who uses "Sarai"...  -- I don't know what to say. 

 

In 2022, a friend messaged me that Leo had posted on the Actualized Forum that masturbation and porn was just as good as being with a woman. I’m not anti-porn at all, but when I looked at the thread in many ways, what he says is worse:

 

TRIGGER WARNING: Language and sex. (It's like an 8th grade frat house locker room)

 

 

 

Leo POST #1

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Posted Tuesday at 01:57 PM

  On 2/15/2022 at 0:50 PM, MarkusR said:

@Leo Gura 

Watching porn today is like the equivelant of prehistoric times watching the alpha fuck the girl you desire and you jerking off in the bushes.

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Leo Gura:

 

Haha, nah.

 

When you reach God consciousness you will be able to orgasm just from watching two people have sex as if you were both of them, because you actually are.

 

You guys have no idea how profound porn becomes with God consciousness.

 

I can run a slide show of porn photos and be conscious that I am everyone in the entire universe who ever fucked, and I can orgasm to my infinite God self as the Mind which imagines all of human sexuality.

 

Ya'll are not even conscious of what porn is. You totally take it for granted.

 

If some guy is fucking a girl, that is me fucking her and me getting fucked. But you are not conscious enough to understand that.

 

You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Notice this is a porn addiction thread. Someone started it because they perceived they had a problem with porn addiction. Leo

chimes in PRO PORN. Is this helpful? It's like someone posting for food overeating and asking for diet advice and Leo chimes in that food is great, he loves food and can eat anything and imagines himself with god consciousness eating the banana cream pie and also being the banana cream pie being eaten. Okayyy. 

 

I love Leo’s signature: You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Post #2

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Posted 2 hours ago

  3 hours ago, hamedsf said:

the bad thing about fleshlight is that your mouth doesn't water to lick it. 

the smell of real pussy turns the water of my mouth into a superglue! 

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Leo Gura: 

Buy a fish from the store and stick it in your Fleshlight. Problem solved

 

You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Retrieved from: 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/77942-addicted-to-porn/?page=1

 

There's many posts like this. 

 

Actualized Org is the premier site for personal development and spiritual growth. /s. LOL. 

 

When someone complains that a Fleshlight doesn’t have a woman’s smell and how he loves that – Leo suggests buying a fish and sticking that in the fleshlight. What is this, high school again? The great Leo who claims God Consciousness making a “joke” that women smell like fish? I remember hearing this joke in high school, “What did the blind man say as he walked past the fish market? – HELLOOOO LADIES!”*

 

My main criticism of post #3 is the misogynistic tone of the message. It’s also just not funny. My last criticism is there any truth to it? In my limited experience, women don’t smell like fish. They’re more likely to be near paranoid about how they smell. So I googled it, and the All-Knowing Google said if a female smells like fish, it’s a medical condition and she should see a doctor. Maybe Leo needs to upgrade his pickups, or more likely he needs to grow the fuck up.

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Aware Wolf

[Blessed2]

3 hours ago, Whimsical said:

 Reading that dating section and everything said about the masculine to feminine dynamics, had me questioning my own femininity and feeling that I'm not feminine enough, and that only the hottest 10/10 girls are the most feminine.

 

Yeah, I had some discord like that too. What made me feel insecure was that Leo often conveyed that a high value masculine man takes lead in everything, especially sex.

 

That's not me so much. It feels quite off for me to "take a woman" so to speak. Yeah, that might at times be exciting, but overall it just isn't me. I like communication and general emotional connection a lot more.

 

That made me think that I might just be bad at sex and that all the hot women just want crazy brainless caveman sex. 😄

 

Allowing the emotional guidance to lead is far better than any masculine/feminine sex ideology.

[Faith]

3 hours ago, Serenity said:

It seems totally unreal to read these words. I can't stop giggling at the thought of asking someone like Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle or the Dalai Lama to tell us what the think about it.  'This comes from the most conscious person on the planet, any comments '? 🤯🤣😭

 

Yeah, ridiculous! This is just one reason I've never taken him too serious. I use to "try" to moderate that dating subsection and would make some headway, then Leo would swoop in and ruin any bit of progress that had been made with his crude and offensive posts. 🙄 SMH 

 

[Blessed2]

7 hours ago, Cupcake said:

I don't find anything sexist in this.

 

I didn't say anything about it being sexist. I said it's not me, my preference.

[Ges]

16 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Leo Gura surprisingly omits  mentioning casinos in his new scams video despite living in Las Vegas for several years now. 

 

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas 😄

[Blessed2]

1 hour ago, Cupcake said:

But other people have other preferences.

 

I didn't say others don't.

 

1 hour ago, Cupcake said:

Often in the dating section of the forum,i felt Gaslighted if I expressed opinions on how i needed an emotional connection before sex and i would be made to look weird,  by making it appear that I had no understanding of male psychology

I almost felt wrong for being myself .

 

😕 Yeah, many people seem to have had negative experiences especially in the sex & sexuality topic.

[Faith]

@Serenity Thanks and hug back at ya 🤗 

[Adeptus Psychonautica]

My take is that Leo is a guy who is very detached from what it means to be a human being. Everything from his inflated ego, through to his porn addiction, through to his extremely unhealthy ideas about sex and relationships, and his authoritarian and self serving ideas about spirituality. I personally try and ground my experience around being a human being - love, connection, relationships, growth etc, and honestly when I look at the things that are important to me, and then I look at the stuff that comes out of Leo/Actualized, then the guy is a dumpster fire.

 

I see a lot of comments which will use some variant of the following in order to justify why we should listen to Leo "listen to the teachings not the teacher" which sounds reasonable on face value, but at some point you have to make a judgement call on whether or not the teacher has got any grasp of the thing they are teaching. We aren't just talking about stuff which can be parroted by any chump, so if the person doing the teaching is the aforementioned dumpster fire, then it doesn't matter how good the teachings are, because you will simply end up smelling like burnt garbage.

Its also about using common sense to select your mentors. There is no doubt Stephen Hawking is a goddam genius when it comes to physics, but whatever he has to say about breakdancing is practically worthless. Likewise you can assign whatever branch of expertise you want to someone like Leo (I would argue his only real expertise is effective communication), but then acknowledge that when he starts talking about how to have a successful relationship, or how to be physically healthy, or (the list goes on...) then it is bordering on absurdity.

He is just some dude, who is very good at convincing confused people he is not just some dude.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Adeptus Psychonautica

[Mandy]

@Adeptus Psychonautica

I think that was the point you made that I liked best about your video on the subject, simple though it may be, "he's just a dude." 😄

[WhiteOwl]

@Adeptus Psychonautica I totally agree with you, and "he's just a dude" also stuck to me after watching your video. I appreciate you putting your perspective on things out there, im sure it will help some people to think twice. He's just a dude who made a successful youtube channel presenting knowledge from other people/teachers who are some of the best in their fields. Thats was a brilliant thing to do and he was good at presenting it with a nice energy, which is why it became popular. But to believe that you embody all of it that quickly is absurd. And the extreme use of psychedelics, dont get me started.. he's so way out there now.

I cant go to his site anymore because its so cringe i cant take it. Hes dating advice for the guys there is just next level cringe. "Take her hand firmly and direct where you are going", "look at her deep in the eyes and go for the kiss" (on a first date). I fail to write it in the same manner as he does, but just imagining insecure guys doing the things he tells them to is so uncomfortable and ridiculous. Feel bad for everyone involved.

 

I hope he comes back to reality at some point, he seemed like a nice dude in the beginning.

[WhiteOwl]

@Aware Wolf Oh god those posts.. He's getting 10/10 in acting like what most people i know IRL fears or preconceives is happening in dark corners of the internet. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by WhiteOwl

[WhiteOwl]

21 hours ago, Phil said:

@Whimsical

I hear ya. It’s terrible to hear, but I hear ya. 🤍 Sometimes I’d show a comment to my wife, cause it was so far off it was often very very funny. 

Lol, I do that aswell. Main reason for going there at times. So funny seeing the reaction from someone who have no idea who he is or what kind of site it is. 

 

@WhimsicalSo understandable. Dont take any of that seriously, its so far out. Tragic for the people who ends of buying some of it 😕

Edited April 5, 2022 by WhiteOwl