Actualized.org and Leo Gura must be stopped

[WhiteOwl]

@DMT ElfOmg just passed through and found that Connor murphy call again.. that is seriously hilarious. In the end where Leo is ranting about how stupid it is for him to try to fake his death, and then CM just instantly switches to talking about his new book about 5D chess. And the fact that the call got posted 😂 very funny.. rofling here just had to share it with someone. The nemesis of Leo

[WhiteOwl]

25 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

lmao, my favorite part is this:

CM: I incarnated here from the lyre constellation, that is 100% true. I'm a 5th dimensional being. It's not that hard to understand if you think about it.

Leo: You're falling into delusions.

CM: Isn't it all relative though? What exactly is a delusion? Isn't reality just what you make it to be?

Leo: Yes, but you're making reality to be your own personal fantasy.

CM: Yes, exactly. That's what the fun of it is. A paracosm.

Leo: But you're not some alien.

CM: Why do you not believe I'm an alien?

Leo: Because you're God.

CM: That's true! Right right right. You're very right about that. Absolutely, yes.

 

I lost my mind! 😂😂😂

genius.. or when you can already hear how far out Leo thinks he is, and then CM suggests him to eat his own feces to cure his disease. With the "Look man.." response.. thats a golden clip. So far nothing bad happens

[Reena]

Can someone please tell me what is this? 

 

 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/

 

So these are the exact words on the thread and it sounds damn ridiculous. 

 

 

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ummmm what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Cupcake

[Reena]

The best thing would be if nobody replied to that thread. Absolutely nobody. Just nobody. 

Then let's see....... 

 

There should be a way to parody that thread. 

 

Because it's the most obvious the most arrogant the most non sensible thing I just read. 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Cupcake

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Cupcake said:

Can someone please tell me what is this? 

 

 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/

 

So these are the exact words on the thread and it sounds damn ridiculous. 

 

 

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ummmm what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

Leo finally did the ultimate gaslighting post there.  I still remember when he would say he's not awake.  Now he's the only one who's awake.  He's finally lost all credibility with me.  I'm not going to give the dude any more of my attention starting now.  You cannot take away my sovereignty with regard to truth and reality.  I can play that game too and say I'm the only one who's awake, but I don't and won't.  What's the use of that?  So your students are never going to become awake?  There goes the whole premise for anyone to take you seriously as a guide on the path.  I think the best thing to do now -- seriously -- is to stop giving Leo our precious attention and focus on our own paths to spiritual enlightenment.  There are other guides than Leo if what you're interested in is spiritual enlightenment.  I think he's trying to kill something off -- I'm not sure what he's trying to kill off -- but it's coming from inside him and it's polluting others because he's directing it outward instead of solving whatever his issue is inside himself.  This is very common with certain people I find.  You've got to allow people to get the result of your product or service if you're selling something otherwise what's the point?  Unless the point is to admire Leo and give him narcissistic supply and pay him to boot!  That's a lose-win relation though on your end because he'll never allow anyone else to be King of the Hill but himself.   One dude thinking he's superior to everyone else.  That's a hard sell.  I wish him well.  My guess is he'll have to loosen the reins on this a bit, especially when it comes time to sell his upcoming course on awakening.   But, yeah, don't let this penetrate.  You have everything you need already inside you to do spiritual enlightenment work and awaken I promise you!  This bugs Leo because it means you don't need him.  I totally understand that concern, but the hyper controlling way he's going about it is insanely ridiculous.  And it's toxic.  It's disempowering.  A development work teacher disempowering his followers while empowering himself sort of at the expense of that is just too convenient for him.   It's like, no dude, I'm not going to elevate you at my own expense.  I don't do lose-win relationships.  I can't think of one dude I've given more benefit of the doubt to than Leo, but he's finally gone too far with me with that post.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Cupcake said:

The best thing would be if nobody replied to that thread. Absolutely nobody. Just nobody. 

Then let's see....... 

 

There should be a way to parody that thread. 

 

Because it's the most obvious the most arrogant the most non sensible thing I just read. 

 

 

 

I agree 100% with what you said here.  Don't feed the bears.  Don't encourage the crazed conspiracy theorist on the bus by making eye contact.  You have a choice as to who you relate to and in what manner you relate with them.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Reena]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Unless the point is to admire Leo and give him narcissistic supply and pay him to boot! 

This is exactly what people on the thread are doing to him right now. 

It's a tragedy. 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

54 minutes ago, Cupcake said:

This is exactly what people on the thread are doing to him right now. 

It's a tragedy. 

 

 

Those people are fools.  Leo flips that around though, that's his con.  He knows how to flip things around like a pro.  The people he bans by calling them fools are not the fools.  The fools are the people who stick around.  See how he does that reversal?  He's a master at gaslighting.  And I do think he knows what he's doing.  I'm done with his game playing.  He should have stuck with being a video game developer, I genuinely think he would have been happier.  Then he could have just done his fantasy stuff without messing with real people and all the suffering that entailed.  He did introduce me to spiritual enlightenment work back in 2015 and for that I'm eternally grateful to him, but that doesn't mean I should still follow him.  I wish him all the best.  I can see now the pros and cons of his and my relation, even if it was just online.  It was a tricky relation for sure.  I think most of you can relate with me on this one.  But sometimes you gotta let someone go their own way where it doesn't include you.  It's hard to let go of a teacher that made a first impression on you about something as profound as spiritual enlightenment.  But 2015 was a long time ago now.  I'm a master now.  I can decide for myself now.  I'm not young on the path anymore like I was then.  I don't feel like I owe any allegiance to anyone anymore.  I'm not a follower anymore, but I'm not averse to following either.  The master doesn't want to get so rigid that he or she stops listening.  This is why the master wears the white belt to remind themselves to not become so far up their own ass that they are fools in a different way than the newbie follower types or the oldies who can't cut the umbilical chord from the pseudo father or mother figure they're dependent on.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Reena]

 

46 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

Those people are fools.  Leo flips that around though, that's his con.  He knows how to flip things around like a pro.  The people he bans by calling them fools are not the fools.  The fools are the people who stick around.  See how he does that reversal?  He's a master at gaslighting.  And I do think he knows what he's doing.  I'm done with his game playing.  He should have stuck with being a video game developer, I genuinely think he would have been happier.  Then he could have just done his fantasy stuff without messing with real people and all the suffering that entailed.  He did introduce me to spiritual enlightenment work back in 2015 and for that I'm eternally grateful to him, but that doesn't mean I should still follow him.  I wish him all the best.  I can see now the pros and cons of his and my relation, even if it was just online.  It was a tricky relation for sure.  I think most of you can relate with me on this one.  But sometimes you gotta let someone go their own way where it doesn't include you.  It's hard to let go of a teacher that made a first impression on you about something as profound as spiritual enlightenment.  But 2015 was a long time ago now.  I'm a master now.  I can decide for myself now.

True 

[Blessed2]

Everyone else:

"Do the practice and see for yourself. The proof is in the actual results for everyone to see."

 

Actualized:

"You're a fucking idiot if you don't believe me."

It's actually impossible to have any real results in it. Cause there is no actual substance! The only thing offered is "I know, you don't." What's the result supposed to be? "We know"? 😂

Anyone catch what I'm trying to say?

[Reena]

7 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:

It's actually impossible to have any real results in it. Cause there is no actual substance! The only thing offered is "I know, you don't." What's the result supposed to be? "We know"? 😂

Anyone catch what I'm trying to say?

I think in short I'll call it a simple ego battle. I think it looks like this - 

 

I've proved that I'm better than you. You remain quiet. I got the validation I wanted. You were my supplier. Also this gives me increased credibility in the eyes of the world because you couldn't properly prove that you are superior to me. So I claim my victory. 

 

Your well being means nothing to me. 

 

 

This looks like a sales pitch for spiritual concepts that gullible will fall for. And they will buy the course. 

 

 

 

[Robed Mystic]

On 3/21/2023 at 7:06 AM, Phil said:

@Robed Mystic

What’s the difference between believing someone & trusting someone? 

Being opened minded is neither.  Belief is a subset of trust and we advocate neither.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Robed Mystic

[Joseph Maynor]

@Robed Mystic I appreciate what you said on Leo's forum and I now know you have courage.  It's hard though too because you're connected up with the ego of that community.  I can sympathize with your challenge.  You are an adult though.  And you can't really awaken without being an adult.  That means that you call the shots for yourself and suffer the consequences of that.  It's also taking caution who you hitch your wagon to and the lengths you will go to preserve and protect that relationship.  This is for all of us by the way including me.  You have to take responsibility in life to do the right thing to be a spiritual person and a guide on the path.  I believe this.  I know some of us tend to pooh pooh morality, but that's just a piece of the path.  The other piece of the path is to find your morality and live that without shame.  I'm giving you a kudo from my perspective here.  You seem like an ESFJ 9w8.  I would say your instinctual variant might be so-sp-sx.  You remind me very much of a religious person or father figure.  You're clean in your style.  You have a social and moral strength that shines through.  

Edited March 25, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Robed Mystic]

13 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@Robed Mystic I appreciate what you said on Leo's forum and I now know you have courage.  It's hard though too because you're connected up with the ego of that community.  I can sympathize with your challenge.  You are an adult though.  And you can't really awaken without being an adult.  That means that you call the shots for yourself and suffer the consequences of that.  It's also taking caution who you hitch your wagon to and the lengths you will go to preserve and protect that relationship.  This is for all of us by the way including me.  You have to take responsibility in life to do the right thing to be a spiritual person and a guide on the path.  I believe this.  I know some of us tend to pooh pooh morality, but that's just a piece of the path.  The other piece of the path is to find your morality and live that without shame.  I'm giving you a kudo from my perspective here.  You seem like an ESFJ 9w8.  I would say your instinctual variant might be so-sp-sx.  You remind me very much of a religious person or father figure.  You're clean in your style.  You have a social and moral strength that shines through.  

What are you referring to specifically? Awakening? This is not anything new.

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Robed Mystic said:

What are you referring to specifically? Awakening? This is not anything new.

I’m referring to you having the courage to call out your master’s BS.  I was giving you a little cheer for doing that because sometimes you do the opposite.  You’re the luckiest dude still on that forum for sure.  You must have 9 lives like a cat.  

Edited March 25, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Robed Mystic]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I’m referring to you having the courage to call out your master’s BS.  I was giving you a little cheer for doing that because sometimes you do the opposite.

My master?  Wow.  You have some preconceived notions I see.

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Robed Mystic said:

My master?  Wow.  You have some preconceived notions I see.

You’re right I do.  You have this back and forth dance or interplay between defending and criticizing Leo that seems to swing back and forth like a pendulum.  
 

I can see why we clash you and I.  We have no cognitive functions in common and all the first letters of the functions are in a different order.   This is assuming you’re an ESFJ.   I can see why I naturally clash with ENTPs and now ESFJs.  Lots of personality divergence.

SOURCE
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/

Edited March 26, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Robed Mystic]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You’re right I do.  You have this back and forth dance or interplay between defending and criticizing Leo that seems to swing back and forth like a pendulum.

SOURCE
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/

I support the teachings but I don't hesitate to speak up where it's warranted.  That's pretty much it.  I am not a student of his.  I could, as you say, start my own channel and forum if so desired.  But I have no desire for any of that.  I barely have any desire to post on either forum at this point.  It is just because I enjoy talking about non-duality and there aren't many outlets for that.  

Other than that, I'm quite content with spending time with my girlfriend and my kids.  That's really all I live for now.

[Reena]

On 3/23/2023 at 4:04 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

Young men mostly (or masculine women) who are follower types who are looking for a leader or father figure to tell them what to do and what to believe.  That's his market and he knows it.   He's not going to appeal and I think he's made it clear he doesn't want to appeal to the teacher who is polar opposite of him -- thus he's a specialist, and he's settling into that role or niche more and more over time.  He's part of the Manosphere.  Once this is known, Leo makes perfect sense.

Absolutely. 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Brace yourselves.  I'm gonna do a popcorn feast while watching this one.  An advanced explanation Leo says.  I’ll bet he’s gonna gaslight about gaslighting.  He’s gonna try to minimize it.  He's overcomplicating it and talking around it quite a bit.  I disagree with Leo that most gaslighting is unintentional -- it's mostly intentional.  He's muddying it and kind of making excuses for it as a normal thing.  No, specific people tend to gaslight a lot in my experience.  And they do it intentionally.  It is simple, it is straightforward.   He's arguing against gaslighting and kind of sowing doubt about it.  It's a sneaky kind of thing.  It's obvious he wants to minimize the term and sort of take the claws out of it.  I assure you though gaslighting is real, simple, and certain individuals do it a lot more than others do.  It is black and white.  See, he says "it's not so black and white, it's not so clear."  Leo says he invalidates his own reality and everyone ese's reality -- I agree with the later part but he definitely does not invalidate his own reality.  This video is so hard for me to listen to.  Wow dude.  I couldn't make this shit up.  So the girlfriend who accused Leo of gaslighting now is the one gaslighting Leo.  So manipulative and defensive!  Listen how Leo just totally picks apart the credibility of the girlfriend and paints himself as the victim.  He's a good lawyer man, I'll give him that.  He missed his calling in the legal profession.  This is the last video I'm gonna watch from Leo.  Notice how Leo criticizes reverse racism in the beginning but he then concludes that the person gaslighting is the gaslighter!  Wow.  Sneaky sneaky.  This entire video is about sowing doubt about gaslighting and persuading you that doesn't apply to him.  "I would never do that."  But that's gaslighting.  I think that was one of his examples of a gaslighting phrase too.  I watched half of this video, I can't finish it.  What I thought would happen is what he did. 

Gaslighting has a very simple definition: Intentionally manipulating someone's sense of truth and reality to try to control.  It's not complicated.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Joseph Maynor