individual and collective consciousness

[Proserpina]

There are times when things really do feel like "everything is working out perfectly".  There is this divine glow to the conversation.  The conversation is lifted.  To a divine place.  Where you see the flow and everything is working out perfectly,   It's in those rare moments you see people differently.  Comes from love, I think.   A love for the craft, for the conversation.  Even in the midst of your ego and you creating conflict.  Doing your best.  Allowing.  

 

You can be a walking medium for the divine by way of love and doing your best and allowing.  

[Isagi Yoichi]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

None of us are perfect, but we're also perfect too.  it's a paradox.

 

no, it is not a paradox

if we are perfect we can't be imperfect

 

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It's a more complex issue than most people realize.  You have to stand up for yourself vs./and also hear the guidance of the whole.  And your life unfolds or unravels sometimes in crazy ways (order vs./and chaos) accordingly.  But we can grow and we can come to understand a bigger picture of things too.  Development is possible.

 

 

it's not standing up for yourself vs hearing the guidance 

 

 

Edited February 2 by Isagi Yoichi

[Mandy]

@Joseph Maynor Have you ever listened to Abraham Hicks recordings?

[Mandy]

@Joseph Maynor Not any videos in particular, just recommend her videos in general. 

[Isagi Yoichi]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've been exposed to her content in conversation.  I know people who hold her content in very high regard.  I don't want to become the kind of person who becomes dogmatic but also I like to respect my own taste too.  It's weird to say, but taste influences spirituality just like anything else even though we want to replace the word taste with truth.  If someone genuinely gives me something to consume, I'll do it.  I listened to Phil's Zoom call the same way.  It doesn't mean I agree.  I just means I consume.  Or you might say it like this, albeit somewhat weirdly, If approached respectfully, I'll often give anything a fair hearing.

Lmao bro most of your posts are dogmatic you are just a talk bro incredibly shallow and dont do any kind of work

[Jonas Long]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've been exposed to her content in conversation.  I know people who hold her content in very high regard.  I don't want to become the kind of person who becomes dogmatic but also I like to respect my own taste too.  It's weird to say, but taste influences spirituality just like anything else even though we want to replace the word taste with truth.  If someone genuinely gives me something to consume, I'll do it.  I listened to Phil's Zoom call the same way.  It doesn't mean I agree.  I just means I consume.  Or you might say it like this, albeit somewhat weirdly, If approached respectfully, I'll often give anything a fair hearing.  We're all adults here, so we should be able to discuss anything.  I try to be open but nobody is perfect at this too.  But on here I have to be more open because a lot of Phil's ideas I have different ones.  Similar but different.  I've never found a teacher that I can "lock stock & barrel" mind meld with.  I have my own ideas that contain fragments of a lot of things.  I've been doing this since I was very young.  I assume all of us on here are like me in some sense and have been doing the same.  Most people here are not newbs at spirituality.  I'm not gonna bullshit anyone and say, oh yeah I agree with you.  I try to be self-honest.

Not every post needs to be a dissertation.  

[Jonas Long]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Not every post needs to contain zero insights.  Do you have anything substantive to say or do you just attack people?  I'm gonna start calling you out on this.  You're like a sniper that thinks they can just shoot at people and offer nothing in the alternative.  Bring something to the table man!  Don't just trash everything.

I offer brevity as an alternative.  I offer conversation as an alternative.  I offer listening to people and paying attention to them as an alternative.  I offer self reflection as an alternative.  I offer a slight pause, not taking everything as an attack as an alternative.  I have so many alternatives to offer.

[Mandy]

16 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've been exposed to her content in conversation.  I know people who hold her content in very high regard.  I don't want to become the kind of person who becomes dogmatic but also I like to respect my own taste too.  It's weird to say, but taste influences spirituality just like anything else even though we want to replace the word taste with truth.  If someone genuinely gives me something to consume, I'll do it.  I listened to Phil's Zoom call the same way.  It doesn't mean I agree.  It just means I consume.  Or you might say it like this, albeit somewhat weirdly, If approached respectfully, I'll often give anything a fair hearing.  We're all adults here, so we should be able to discuss anything.  I try to be open but nobody is perfect at this too.  But on here I have to be more open because a lot of Phil's ideas I have different ones.  Similar but different.  I've never found a teacher that I can "lock stock & barrel" mind meld with.  I have my own ideas that contain fragments of a lot of things.  I've been doing this since I was very young.  I assume all of us on here are like me in some sense and have been doing the same.  Most people here are not newbs at spirituality.  I'm not gonna bullshit anyone and say, oh yeah I agree with you.  I try to be self-honest.

The message here basically is you aren't your ideas, your ideas don't define you. There's nothing to be found in thoughts or ideas that will let you know where you or others stand. The attempt is the burn, not listening to the guidance, not allowing the instant removals of the hand on the hot stove, the suffering. No one wants you to agree or bullshit, but you can put down all the effort of the self defense, the preoccupation with where you stand here. 

[Mandy]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

  So you and Phil hold her in high regard. 

I don't have any regard for nothin'. 

[Reena]

It's not okay to attack people. At least not persistently. Critical attacks are fine. I'm talking about the passive aggressive put downs and the authoritarian tone in the posts. I hope mods are able to do deal with it and don't allow such users to play backseat moderators. There are power hungry users who want to control the community. This is a general open source community. This is not someone's grandfather's property. I mean get off. 

 

 

[Reena]

God has gifted me with an intuitive judgement. And when things are deeply wrong I begin to feel sick or weirded out. The way things are being spoken in a pushy way throughout this entire thread is not acceptable behavior. 

[Reena]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is rich coming from you.   You complain about every perceived attack and make threads about it too.

Stop quoting me. I don't want to talk to you, you understand. You are bullying me here and I do not wish to speak to you. How many times do you need to be told. You're the one acting like a bully. Back the fuck off. Nobody needs to be afraid of you. Stop attacking me. 

 

[Reena]

This is not a perceived attack. This is an attack (thinly disguised). Pure psychopathic behavior. I mean what I see. And I know when I see it. My heart is never wrong and I have never felt so ill reading something as I do now. 

I'm reading some delusional crap that needs to be thrown out of this forum because it's infecting the community like a virus and I agree with users like Jonas Long and Isagi completely and wholeheartedly. 

 

 

 

[Reena]

1 hour ago, Jonas Long said:

I offer brevity as an alternative.  I offer conversation as an alternative.  I offer listening to people and paying attention to them as an alternative.  I offer self reflection as an alternative.  I offer a slight pause, not taking everything as an attack as an alternative.  I have so many alternatives to offer.

Yes this this this this. Thank you for saying this. I wish people did more of this. Being in a community should be about conversations, growth, listening and reflecting and being able to bring others on board. 

I have been gaslighted so much that I have lost my identity. I have been strawmanned and continuously bashed non stop to the point I lost my own opinion and felt completely ambushed. That's not a conversation, that's an attempt to control the narrative and completely hijack my freedom for another person's ego. I am bewildered because I had been suffering so much I didn't see it. Then it came on like a tsunami.

 

[Jonas Long]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Jonas Long is playing the victim now?  Wow!  Just when I thought I've seen everything.  You guys are keeping the pot stirred but I'm very close to refusing to take the bait anymore.  This is getting ridiculous.  Holy Moly.  

To be clear, not playing the victim, and nobody suggested I was. 

Edited February 3 by Jonas Long

[Reena]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Jonas Long is playing the victim now?  Wow!  Just when I thought I've seen everything.  You guys are keeping the pot stirred but I'm very close to refusing to take the bait anymore.  This is getting ridiculous.  Holy Moly.  

Stop quoting me. People are stirring the pot because a psychopath has decided to create his pot here and we are all too tired dealing with it. It's horrendous. It's like a mafia. The language used is gangsterish and threatening. This shouldn't be tolerated at all. This is super controlling and not a civil way to have a conversation.  I do not endorse this at all. I agree with Jonas Long regarding self reflection 

I'm clueless as to how I missed all the red flags. I just misread so much.. 

 

 

[Reena]

@Jonas Long

6 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

To be clear, not playing the victim, and nobody suggested I was. 

That person should be kept on ignore please. It's just not healthy or the person needs to be dogged enough so that they stop pushing. 

Only two options. 

 

[Reena]

Nobody is wishing to play victim. People are simply voicing what they think is delusional. 

[Jonas Long]

4 minutes ago, Reena said:

@Jonas Long

That person should be kept on ignore please. It's just not healthy or the person needs to be dogged enough so that they stop pushing. 

Only two options. 

 

I'm good lol I wouldn't wanna miss any insights.  So I can make notes of them.

[Reena]

Just now, Jonas Long said:

I'm good lol I wouldn't wanna miss any insights.  So I can make notes of them.

You are brave actually. I didn't realize till now. I would never be able to keep my cool if I were you.