sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, Robed Mystic said: Here's an easier way to grasp it. If something is everything, which infinity has to be, then it has to include nothing. lol no, it can't include "nothing" nothing is excluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, sacredprofane said: lol no, it can't include "nothing" nothing is excluded That would make it finite. If nothing existed outside everything then it would not be infinite. This is why reality is a mind - because nothing permeates through everything. That's what Infinity is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: Here's an easier way to grasp it. If something is everything, which infinity has to be, then it has to include nothing. if "nothing" is included in something...guess what "nothing" becomes? something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, sacredprofane said: if "nothing" is included in something...guess what "nothing" becomes? something. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said: If nothing existed outside everything then it would not be infinite. NOTHING EXISTS OUTSIDE EVERYTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, Robed Mystic said: Exactly! ergo, infinity does not include nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: ergo, infinity does not include nothing The consciousness paradigm, which you can discover is the true paradigm - is Infinity. This is the unification of everything and nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: The consciousness paradigm, which you can discover is the true paradigm - is Infinity. This is the unification of everything and nothing. idk this "consciousness paradigm" you are referring to... infinity has no limits meaning IT HAS NO LIMITS, a LIMIT is a thing it DOES NOT have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Just now, sacredprofane said: idk this "consciousness paradigm" you are referring to... infinity has no limits meaning IT HAS NO LIMITS, a LIMIT is a thing it DOES NOT have But yet it cannot also then assume nothingness? You cut infinity to the quick. I shall smite you with my staff!! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: But yet it cannot also then assume nothingness? nope, it can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: nope, it can't It can't- well...that's a limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: It can't- well...that's a limitation. well, no...its the lack of limitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Infinity is not subject to logic or debate. There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Infinity is not subject to logic or debate. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 7:59 AM, Orb said: @Robed Mystic infinite awareness cannot be one thing or the other. Infinite, not-two So it has to be not-two? Jesus man - wipe the brainwashing off of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) Theory is only a vehicle (and not the only vehicle) to attainment. If you have attained it, there is no theory problem. If you’re trying to help others then theory becomes relevant again but the end goal should be attainment not addicting people to any theory. This is hard to do because the teacher wants to keep the student hooked on them instead of setting them free. There’s a working with between theory and embodiment. But you’re not going to get very far quibbling over words like infinity. Just my 2 cents, but carry on. Edited February 25, 2023 by Joseph Maynor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Theory is only a vehicle to attainment. If you have attained it, there is no theory problem. If you’re trying to help others then theory becomes relevant again but the end goal should be attainment not addicting people to any theory. This is hard to do because the teacher wants to keep the student hooked on them instead of setting them free. There’s a working with between theory and embodiment. But you’re not going to get very far quibbling over words like infinity. Just my 2 cents, but carry on. You've laid out the obvious. What's also obvious is we are stuck with theory. The only question is whether or not you realize that theory has its limitations. If you are conscious of this, you can play with it all you want. If you aren't, you can also play with it all you want- but the difference is you believe it has some authority over reality that in fact it does not have. Edited February 25, 2023 by Robed Mystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: You've laid out the obvious. What's also obvious is we are stuck with theory. The only question is whether or not you realize that theory has its limitations. If you are conscious of this, you can play with it all you want. If you aren't, you can also play with jt all you want. Judging by the recent posts on this thread this is not so obvious. It’s not obvious at all. It took me years to arrive at this perspective. And what I said is more than an intellectual thing that you can memorize and you’re done. The experience of going through it gives a backing to the words I used for me. I’d be surprised if anyone on here really gets what I’m said judging from my experience teaching for a long time. If you give someone a golden nugget and they don’t recognize it as such, they throw it on the ground and declare it as trivial. But I still felt motivated to share it anyway so that maybe someone can find use of it. Edited February 25, 2023 by Joseph Maynor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Robed Mystic said: So it has to be not-two? Jesus man - wipe the brainwashing off of you. It was never said that it has to be not two. It literally isn't two already. ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Judging by the recent posts on this thread this is not so obvious. It’s not obvious at all. It took me years to arrive at this perspective. And what I said is more than an intellectual thing that you can memorize and you’re done. The experience of going through it gives a backing to the words I said for me. I’d be surprised if anyone on here really gets what I’m said judging from my experience teaching for a long time. If you give someone a golden nugget and they don’t recognize it as such, they throw it on the ground and declare it as trivial. It doesn't mean you give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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