Phil

What is ego, such that it could be said what is or isn’t ego? No one knows because an ego has never actually been observed. It’s always an assumption. It’s circular, because it’s thoughts. Similar to bigfoot (no offensive if anyone has seen one 😅) or a unicorn. There are thoughts about these, but there is no perception of these. Put another way, there is no actuality of these. It’s more like a rumor than something which could or would ever be found. Reincarnation is very similar. To realize the truth in regard to reincarnation, is to realize as, to see, to glimpse, be, or being infinity (all just pointing terms) and never having actually been anything other than infinity. Infinity is also a pointing, and not a defining term. Nonduality, not two, can not literally be thought, but can be thought of as a way to inspect thoughts and dispel beliefs and conditioning. That might look like investigating one’s own “claims”. Not claims as in I’m saying you’re asserting anything to be particularly true, but ‘claims’ as in, beliefs, and maybe ‘collective claims’, or even to investigate inquiries ‘themselves’ in regard to what seems to be true as in, a given. Like that the earth revolves around the sun. Paradox comes to mind as a means of investigating thoughts and beliefs. It is as true to say the earth does not revolve around the sun, as it is to say the earth revolves around the sun. If that sounds outlandish or ridiculous, one can look at that differently, very openmindedly, and consider maybe there is something worthwhile to seeing the seemingly untrue side of a paradox, is equally as true. That might look like… What I mean is ego. You could never call it ego of course. You don’t have a vessel body that is human and there is no reason, and this human doesn’t have any characteristics, therefore there aren’t other biological differences nor tendencies from other humans or other anything, and you weren’t born, and thus weren’t born anywhere. These things are you, and you do not live looking through these eyes. You don’t have a pov, you aren’t the whole ocean, there is no time, you don’t experience a this particular drop. There is no experience of a this drop and you’re actually experiencing another drop. You don’t have a pov, there is no separation, and there is no first place. You must have have had a bad reason or no reason at all, you wouldn’t want to end separation, there is no separation, there isn’t anyone who wanted to separate, there isn’t anyone who want to unify. Your next pov will be the previous pov, there isn’t an all pov’s, there is a my next pov. You can gras it, you are a fly in a soup. See the mind expanding ‘exercise’ in this. Vs questioning if what’s said is right or wrong, true or false.

@Orb That’s a lot of peanut butter! 😮 Might be a lot of sugar, but depends on the peanut butter I guess. Weird, but I recently learned peanut butter is a very American thing.

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Happy to share. First experience was many many years ago. I was at the airport with a friend, and we parked in a spot which is sort of designated for people to park where you can experience planes taking off & flying maybe forty yards (ish?) above you. After an hour or so, it was starting to get dark and we got in the car to head out. While driving on a road which is still in the overall compound that is the airport, my friend and I simultaneously saw a ufo through the windshield and he immediately pulled over onto the shoulder. We both starred at it in silence. Sort of in awe and disbelief not knowing what to think, do or say. It was black, and notably more black than the night sky. It was enormous. It was shaped like a V. Best guess is each ‘line’ of the V was around sixty yards long. It did not fly in or hover in, and it was not like we turned on a road and then could see it. It was not directly in front of us, and then it was directly in front of us. Yet, there was no ‘appearing’ or ‘manifesting’ from not there to there, just instantaneous as if it had already been there, which of course seemed very interesting to us both. It was entirely black, with the exception of circular shaped lights. There was maybe ten or so lights on each ‘line’ of the V. These lights seemed similar to typical lights, and there was a ring around each light. The ring was noticeable in that it wasn’t the same deep black as the rest, but I couldn’t say if it was metal or whatnot. This one hovered without any movement at all, around maybe eighty to a hundred yards, directly above us. We weren’t panicked, or scared, but we were so dumbfounded with what we were seeing that neither of us moved or said a word the entire time. We sat there looking at it for around ten minutes, and then it vanished. Very literally just vanished ‘into thin air’. That was kind of jarring, like a reality check, that something so big could appear and disappear like that. There was no sound from it whatsoever. That was basically it. On our drive home we pulled over again, really just to try to process and talk about what we just saw. As you might imagine lots of questions arose. Like how is it possible this appeared literally above an airport, without any police or whatnot showing up. It was so big, and there were perfectly visible large lights, and yet not a single car driving by on the road less than a half mile away pulled over. Maybe they just weren’t looking. Hard to say. We checked the news the following day, and literally nothing. In hindsight we also shared that we both noticed the way it was positioned above us was such that we were perfectly under the exact center of it, and thoughts crossed our minds about that. It wasn’t ‘off to the side’, and we weren’t under one of the V ‘wings’, but exactly in the center. For a second we both had the thought about if it was about to ‘beam us up’ or something. But also, as far as we saw, there were no doors, or visible entry point. There was literally nothing as far as parts or any mechanics seen at all. Also no windows, and no indication of an engine or exhaust. It seemed to hover via something along the lines of anti-gravity. That experience had no conscious intention at all. Neither of us were ‘into’ ufo’s, or ever thought much about it really. We weren’t into paranormal anything really. Flash forward around twenty years later. There was the memory of this, and much path, and many mind expanding paradigm busting trips. The curiosity to see this arose, and this time there was a conscious intention, interest and desire to. I had shared what I saw with another friend, and he was interested. He’d never seen one, and he neither believed nor disbelieved me or in ufo’s in general. Call it a hunch, intuition, hard to say, but it was as if I knew or had a premonition that if he and I intended to see one, we would. We talked about it, we both thought it’d be awesome, and that night we did. We were in the backyard on the patio talking, and we looked up, and there were two small ufo’s above us. This was about 7pm and it was still pretty light out, but just starting to get dark. These were much closer, very very close. I would guess only forty yards or so above our heads. It was instantly breath taking, and again utterly dumbfounding. Like being in a large empty field, and suddenly there is a twenty story building next to you. We just starred up at them awestruck. We didn’t hear anything at all as far as them coming in or flying in to above where we were sitting. Other than that, these were nothing like the black V one. These were much smaller. The bottom seemed to be made out of light, and this light was not like any light I ever saw. It was yellowish, and did not seem to have a source. Like how typical light has a source like a bulb, and dissipates as it gets further away from the bulb, this light was not like that. It was as if there was no source of the light. The light sort of looked like rings, but at the same time was not discernible as separate rings. Just kinda had that ‘look’ to it. The rest of it could really only be made out in shape from the light(s). These might have also been black, but I can’t say for sure. The V one was kind of mesmerizing in how black the black of it was. It didn’t look dark like night or an unlit room, but like, a much more ‘actual’ black if you will. This pair of yellow light ufo’s also hovered perfectly still for about ten minutes. They didn’t move or do anything at all. Then just like the first encounter, they vanished. No flying away, no sound, nothing. Just suddenly not there anymore.

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@BlendingInfinite Sounds great. If a discordant thought is of the movie, and clarity is of the screen… one would have to let go of projecting discordant thoughts, to allow clarity to be once again unobscured. In hindsight, now there is something to inspect. How I ended up experiencing discord, how letting it go feels, and what I was thinking or focusing on which was discordant in the first place. I’ve already caused enough trouble for one day but… if love is also the nature of the screen, and is ever present yet sometimes seemingly obscured just like clarity, the hindsight clarity could surely also include some love.

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@Lester Retsel My friend, love is reality. People is a thought. A thought can not be deserving of the very actuality that a thought is. Deserving is a thought. It’s nonsensical because it’s literally not possible. It‘s like saying raindrops are sometimes and sometimes not deserving of the ocean.

@Lester Retsel Not sure what you mean. Can you be more specific? (In regard to “what are you even doing then”) Also, gotta refrain from the name calling.

@Lester Retsel How can an appearance deserve what’s appearing? This seems nonsensical.

A discordant belief which was let go, or which one is trying to let go?

Looking at what’s on the board and feeling these thoughts… I want that. I think I’ll have that. I believe I’ll have that. I know I’ll have that. It is already done. I’m allowing that. I’m receiving that.

Couldn’t agree more. 🙏

Write what you want on your board. The use the emotional scale. Notice, ‘when I think about that which I want this way, I feel this emotion… when I think about what I want this other way, I feel this other emotion’. @Tarak Welcome! Iknowright!? 😅

Hi & welcome! I understand the ‘short hand’ implication of the phrase… but have you scrutinized that a bit more? Like, if 10 - 20 % you can not be yourself… who or what are you being? If anxiety is held to not be yourself… what then does the sensation tell you is yourself? What is the difference between people you’re comfortable with (A) and people who you are not (B)? What is it you see or observe with respect to people B, which you want? Sometimes we believe ‘they have it and I don’t’… and anxiety is actually emotional guidance letting you know ‘you can have it too’. In this case anxiety would actually be jealousy, which for a creator is most insightful. Spiritual understanding might be ‘held’ to be something gained, whereas letting a belief go might be the effortless resonating way. Could also inspect how precisely you are not already free, and look to free yourself of that view and underlying belief. The emotional scale can be very useful in bringing an end to ‘thought loops’ (thoughts about them, thoughts about me, repeating loop). Sometimes it’s missed that all that’s desired is feeling great or better… and it can seem like feeling will be found in thoughts, the right thoughts, solving or figuring out in thoughts. In shifting attention to feeling directly, putting feeling first, and recognizing you’re feeling ‘your’ thoughts… and not ‘their’ thoughts… what thoughts about them, and you, feel good, to you? Also, if fear of judgment feels ‘off’, consider it’s because the thought implies you’re not in control of how you feel. Whereas if judgment is recognized to only be felt, when one is the one judging… one recognizes one is in control of how one feels. You could also try a little ‘exposure therapy’ by having a close friend you are comfortable with, verbally judge you. If discord is felt, relax and breathe from the stomach, and witness that it’s fleeting, that it arises and does pass. That just might go from experiencing ‘triggering’ and tension, to bringing thoughts more in the neighborhood of lovingkindness to mind. With respect to judgement, there’s significant liberation in recognizing the compassion and truth in the words, ‘forgive them, they know not what they do’.

@Blessed2 Ineffable. 🙂

‘Bring it down to earth’ so to speak. More like relax and just watch, observe. Maybe five minutes. Just ‘if interested’ really. No. Same. All differences are really the thoughts that there are differences. Also, like something as simple a strawberry shake… it’s only a thought without the direct experience.

@Faith Yes I would.

@Mandy I’d look pretty foolish ridin around on a dog. There’s probably laws against that.

‘Being the observer’, ‘being in observer only mode’, aka ‘the witness’ or ‘witnessing mode’ is a great practice for the experience of the vantage point of what one is not doing; reacting. Helpful for seeing through ‘the matrix’, and dispelling the belief in causation. Including the caveat of no facial expressions whatsoever really solidifies the practice. People usually report that much more than what was normally seen or observed was seen. It also tends to heighten or bring about a fullness in perception as in seeing, hearing, tasting and smelling. But observer and witness can imply a duality of observed and or witnessed, as in ‘the ocean which can observe itself from infinite perspectives’. Like the observer mode can be a good practice, infinite being observing itself from infinite perspectives can be a good contemplation. But this too ‘can go’ / be seen through. This is pointed to with phrases like the tongue can not taste the tongue, or the tip of your right hand index finger can not point to the tip of your right hand index finger, or your lips can’t kiss your lips. If the belief in time is added as a constraint upon infinite being, there is likewise the theoretical conceptualization of ‘the liver of lives’ in similar dualistic fashion; life or lives, & liver, experiencer, observer or witness of. These things said can be grasped intellectually, and that can be clarifying and that can be one of countless intellectual traps as ‘the knower’ of ‘the known’. Cessation is not inclusive of any of this, and my two cents would be to take things said here as ‘what belief(s) does this help dispel’, as opposed to ‘now I know this’. Also, this is probably overly cautious on my part. Could also look at a mirror, and notice you’re not actually ‘in’ the mirror. That might be obvious or readily recognized. “I’m not in it, I’m looking at it”. Then notice you’re not seeing yourself in the mirror either. The thought might arise, “right, obviously that’s a reflection”. What’s being said here however, is that is not a reflection. That might not be as readily recognized. @MazE Great thread & sorry if this is a hijacking. 😬

Yes but no. For blue to be ignorant and or enlightened, blue must be an it. No.

Yes & no. Infinite can not know finite. If you & I want to build a cabin, we get lumber etc and get to work. Infinite can not go to the lumber store because infinite is infinite. So infinite be’s a lumber store, Indisguise & Phil, and builds a cabin.

With the term so called and the quotations which denote not actually, nothing is being asked & nothing is being asked about, and the answer is already present in & as the question. Light shines through a prism resulting in a rainbow of color. Red asks blue if there is one prism, one light, or many prisms and or many lights. What does blue reply? Maybe we can ‘put this to bed’. Maybe not. Solipsism is an ism, like Mormonism or Catholicism are ism’s. Like any other belief or belief system, solipsism is the activity of thought. A Mormon saying Mormonism is the truth or a Catholic saying Catholicism is the truth, is a pointer to, an ism. What isn’t recognized is the ism is the activity of thought, or, a belief(s). You are of course free to agree or not agree, but when I am using the word spirituality, it is not to uphold beliefs or suggest any belief is the truth, or any new belief or pointer is the truth… but rather the very inspection of beliefs, and therein the cessation of suffering, and in kind of the activity of thought. As far as I can see, you’re definitely in the clear on being ‘solipsism guy’. At best (or worst) you are or are playing the role of a solipsist, only in the same sense a Mormonist is or is playing the role of spreading the message of Mormonism, or a Catholic is spreading the message of Catholicism.

🙂 If love is said to be infinite, and it is said there is a you which merges into infinite love, then infinite love is a secondary belief. The primary belief would be that I am the separate thing or self, which in a future will or could merge into, infinite love. Was a finite lens born? Are there other lenses? Does a lens constitute a you, or separation? What is “it”, if “it” is all one? Doesn’t one imply no it?