Phil

@Faith 🙏🏻 @Forza21 When 911 happened, there was a video of a speech by George W. Bush where he talked about retaliation. But, he didn’t use that word. He used the word, “crusade”. I remember thinking, wow, what an ego maniacal manipulative asshole. But then when I met him, I felt compassion for his suffering of his delusion. One hell of a lucrative speech giver though, I’ll give Dubs that! That compassion just didn’t arise for a video. Had I met Dubs prior to that speech, the thoughts ‘egomaniacal asshole’ wouldn’t have even arose. Just the compassion for his delusion, and sincerely wishing him clarity, well being and health. Speaking of Bibles, here’s an interesting true story chalked full of very deep suffering, bravery, courage, Truth and insights therein…https://eastbayexpress.com/the-right-to-confront-your-accuser-1/

These are concepts about a “myself”. Which emotion was mentioned in your op? Expression of emotion, instead of self conceptualization, will ‘wash you of yourself’, free you, liberate you. Riding a bike is impossible. At least, that’s what all my kids said before they practiced. Now they say it’s just like riding a bike. If frustration arises when attempting to express emotions above contentment… notice contentment wasn’t actually felt… and what is felt, is frustration. Express the frustration, then the next higher emotion on the scale. Finishing the scale is a suggestion. When interpreting ‘finish’ as ‘forcing’ or ‘pushing’… again look at the scale and spot which emotion is felt there. Or, go for a walk, etc. Allow the mind to clear.

Sounds more like we’re saying the same thing. Apparent two, but, not two. (Are apparent multiple views, multiple views.) Maybe not. I don’t know. 😂

Does the ocean recycle waves?

Consciousness = awareness. Consciousness isn’t aware, but rather is awareness. Consciousness aware of… would be a duality. Even if ‘itself’ follows of. Hence, thought attachment… “the knower” ‘trap’… new ego / spiritual ego…. solipsism…. conjecture. Point of view, or points of view, would be finite. Infinite can not know, or be aware of, finite. I once heard a belief explained, such that God needs man (woman, person, human)… to know itself. There was compassion for the arrogance, but The Joke was, as always, just as funny. Nothing is packed into ‘the lens’.

If you go back and read your op in that light, that answer will probably be clearer now… … apparently it’s already clearer. 🤍

Nice. It might also be helpful to so to speak, utilize time. Or rather, to make use of the recognition of the actuality there isn’t really time. Willfully actually, and very literally - go to a past, and then go to a future. Silly as it may or may not sound, keep attempting to until it is crystal clear that this is not possible, that there is only presence, now…. you=awareness, present-only awareness. Actually stand up and take a step in the direction of the past or future. Actually attempt to go ‘there’. Make it / allow it to be abundantly clear (and ideally, very, very funny). Then, when the me vs myself comparative thoughts arise, they’re effortlessly untangled, dispelled, in noticing there isn’t a me in a past, thus there is no actual comparison. Likewise, whenever self comparative thoughts arise… it can be readily noticed when that thought is experienced… is always now. The comparative thought could be of a day, a few days, or a few years - but the thought only ever arises, now. Feel and ‘see’ the relief in the humorous aspect of this. Laughing about it, genuinely, is a breakthrough, which is helpful in not taking the thoughts seriously. May be helpful in the recognition… happiness, presence… are words that point to you. You-happiness-presence never comes and goes, and is never in a past or future. Thoughts come & go.

@Blessed2 Same as unicorn.

Bringing discord (thought activity) to rest… and mental & emotional equanimity. Those two links may be an easier way to go. Just a suggestion thought, not a ‘right’ way by any means. Yes, whereas the practice of basic meditation is typically allowing all thoughts to come & go, returning attention to feeling breathing in the stomach. Might be much easier to go about as two different practices. Try the awareness of thoughts & the mental & emotional equanimity meditations, and compare to going about your day. 🙂 Letting go / allowing / feeling breathing from the stomach… vs a progression. 🙂 There isn’t that plurality either. Me & feeling. The natural isn’t a result, it’s you. The ‘you’ that’s chasing the natural / you… isn’t a you or an entity, it’s just the thoughts. It can be helpful to point to who / what’s chasing & who / what’s being chased to notice there are not really two / to see & be aware of the thought attachment. Inspect beliefs until it’s seen they’re beliefs / not true. Oh it’s unbelievable. Any “why” would be more activity of thought.

Your op. Sounded like you’re trying to do both at once, and it might be easier to look at that as two different intentions and or practices. I didn’t mean the intentions clashing with the results. I meant two intentions of the practices clashing with each other. I don’t disagree. In addition, I don’t ‘hold’ wisdom in the same way. I don’t have any wisdom to value. It’s like the wind. Infinite. When it blows I am appreciative of it, when it does not I am appreciative of it. Could also be seen as not-engagement of the mind. Like “I feel anger”, “I feel discouragement”. Like, very literally, expression and using the scale can be that simple. There is no actual need for thinking or understanding, in the practice of using the scale. Yes, I agree. Also, one doesn’t necessarily have to feel thoughts, in a ‘doing’ sense. One already automatically effortlessly is feeling thoughts. This might only amount to a pointing at the moment, but that I find to be indicative of belting thoughts and not actual in regard to thoughts. Might be actual & true for you presently, ‘where you’re at on the path’, but it’s not ultimately true. The mind so to speak can be very literally ‘turned off’, such that there is no activity of thought or thoughts in experience whatsoever. This is like living in the punchline of the entire cosmos - that everything is always going perfectly… aaannnnddd…. sometimes thoughts make that seem like it is not the case. No mind is not some impossible “state” or zombie like experience. It’s blissful, not concerning. Change the thought focused on, not feeling. This might be the clarifying point, but you’d have to let me know… in your experience, there are feelings (plural)… in this experience there is feeling (not plural). Also, “tolerating” meditation is like ‘tolerating relaxation’. You might have meditation framed up kinda, wrong. As if it’s for fixing, solving, changing, obtaining, making you better, making life better, etc… vs, relaxation and thought settling, such that it is seen (felt) everything (you) is already pretty awesome as is. Yes, you have ambitions, stuff and experiences you want. That’s also awesome. Meditation isn’t a cure, it’s no longer believing the thoughts that there are problems. Ultimately, if you will, it’s simply no longer believing any thoughts, and no longer an experience of, experiencing thoughts.

There’s basic fundamental meditation, and there’s meditation of Mental & Emotional Equanimity. You might find it easier to practice one or the other, as the intentions might be clashing resulting in a frustrating experience. You also might not. Just a suggestion to try it out & see. The discord felt might be of the thought ‘dying into the thoughts’, and not of an actuality of anyone dying into thoughts. The ‘separate self’ which can be falsely believed to exist, is only “in” thoughts - is literally thoughts. Exact same for ‘dying’. There’s no actuality of that. Just the thoughts / beliefs. This is key to loa, because there is communion. An intending & receiving experience of manifestation. Assessing thoughts with feeling isn’t something one can do. The ‘doer’ is like the separate self and death. When ‘doer’ thoughts are recognized, they fall away naturally. Effortlessness, which is synonymous with loa, is more clear, more pronounced. All effort is also like the doer, separate self, and death, in that the thought experientially exists, but not what the thought is about. Like unicorn. Ego, depending on how the word is used, is also a unicorn. Thus, “ego death” is one of the most rampant spiritual misnomers. It is a claim by ego, which again doesn’t actually exist. Resistance is let go, relaxation is willingly chosen and employed. Resistance can’t be ‘pushed through’. Pushing through is resistance. Consider allowing & receiving. Not just in practices, but in life, in relationships, in conversations. Notice thoughts arising as to what you’re going to say, and return attention to listening instead, letting the thought go. It’s an astounding experience, hearing what someone is saying for the first time. 🙂 There’s a pinch of confusion in regard to understanding and knowing via direct experience. ‘Valuing understanding the experience’ is a veiling concept. Kind of a cluster of concepts. Instead of ‘focusing on the discord’, use the emotional scale and focus on which emotion is felt. Then, you’re oriented to feeling better, via expressing the next emotion on the scale. The significance is the ‘other option’ is typically unconscious rumination on concepts. Feeling doesn’t ‘move towards alignment’. Feeling is what thought is aligned with. That can be a huge game changing insight, if one is trying to force or manipulate feeling. The ‘answer’ is always letting the discordant thought go. It’s not a ‘changing feeling’, it’s an allowing of feeling, unfettered by the activity, and sometimes over activity, or over-focus upon or of, thought. One experiential difference that is worthwhile in this regard, separate self thoughts like “I fell back into” or “I hated”… become recognized as, thoughts about a self, and are more clearly seen or experienced as thoughts and not believed, as if there were an actual separate self. An ‘overall’ ‘theme’ consideration might be inspecting for a deep seated belief something has to be done or change, or effort has to be expended - to feel good. If so, there might be an a priori (a prior and yet inspected) belief one is x, y or z, which might be ‘not good’, ‘not good enough’, ‘have to change something or get something or create something to be happy’, etc. The relevance here of the emotional scale, is the shift from believing the discordant thought… to expression, and therein the clearer & clearer recognition of the emotional guidance. “I am _____”, vs, “oh, when I think _____, I experience the emotion _________”. Just what comes to mind. Maybe helpful maybe not. 🙂

@Indisguise Apologies if I’m taking this in a different direction, but this is whatever comes to mind. Like you said, it’s truly incommunicable… but… it’s metafun. Or if not, it soon can / will be. It’s like being experienced, whereas it seemed more typical or ‘normal’ before to be experiencing. That Tyler Henry show comes to mind. Reiki classes, practices and ongoing ‘use’ of symbols seem to function like the way he scribbles. The means is ultimately insignificant though, it’s about what’s beyond the door & comes through the door as the door, and not about the keys. Not easy to describe and surely sounds crazy… but it’s reality, or perception, parting or opening in front of you like two curtains separating, and then there’s a visual-mental display of infinite mind, being and relaying an unlimited communication, without the duality of thought or mental cognition involved. Like if you ate something, thought doesn’t really play any role, because it’s just known that you ate it because you experienced eating it… but with this it’s like you already ate it and now it’s in your stomach, but you didn’t have the experience of eating it. Sort of like that but with mind. It’s just instantly ‘already there’, as if it always was. As if it was an experience you had in the past, except you actually didn’t. At least not conventionally. Another ‘pointing’, it’s like nothing coming into, or just being, everything, but instead of with a blank slate every morning, with specific intuited ‘stuff’ which are otherwise impossible to know. Stuff that would never have otherwise came to mind or been thought of. Unpacking dreams seems like a helpful practice as a prerequisite / opener. It’s seems very clearly post-paradoxes / all questions answered / questions don’t arises anymore… empty space, where now this arises / happens. The ‘content’ so to speak is anything from past lives to precognition, and the theme is love-healing-relevance. There’s also a curiosity to it, which gets resolved. It’s not always complete. Like, sometimes the dots are filled in when I meet or talk with someone later in that day. Ah ha’s, like ‘oh! Now this makes perfect sense why I lived in Alaska!’. That ‘Alaska’ could be anything. It’s not relevant to me but to someone else, but is ‘downloaded’ and then indistinguishable from ‘my’ memories / personality / life, etc. This likely sounds more vague and more nuts the more I try to convey it, but, that’s what comes to mind. Practically speaking, ‘use’ wise, if the direction I’m speaking in here resonates at all with what you’re talking about (idk)… in the same way one can bring to mind the notion this indeed is a dream, and there’s a certain feeling & clearing away of fringe thoughts… bring to mind, I’m not experiencing, I’m being experienced, and just allow… not knowing at all, but being most interested & curious as to whatever’s going to happen next. Also might be helpful to contemplate reality appears consistent but is not, and is thought to have causation & mechanics, but is only surface appearance. While I’m at it 🙂 … This might be the most powerful (in this regard) and yet overlooked ‘tool’ on my site… https://www.actualityofbeing.com/dream-journal And likewise, the ‘inner Kriya’ of this… https://www.actualityofbeing.com/the-loophole-shake … like, the better health is great, it feels way better than fast food… but it’s about the willingness-alignment of well being, which of course is love, which of course, is you. The ‘theme’ or overarching connection of this ime is well being, selflessness-healing, and love. Not so much ‘cool experiences for me’, “God-Powers” lol, or getting the winning lotto numbers, etc.

@Indisguise Yes and no.

If I could be there when you miss your mark, If I could be there when they break your heart, In deed I would be, only to confess; You are my joy, you are my ever-loving best. I would be the one, through heart & soul, If I didn’t be the dream, there’d be no dream at all. So meet me in the middle - and you will see, That this whole world be’s here - just for you and me. But why is the way, sometimes so hard? You are the word, my ever lasting spark! And who can say - who’s all alone? You are the ride, I am the endless journey home. Upon the wave, and under toes! Where we’re headed, no one knows. But where we go - we go in love! And no one cares; and no one can get enough. Our tears will fall, but our hearts won’t budge.

Sounds a lot like me being ‘this guy every morning’.

State of mind or feeling? Or, neither.

Meaning, purpose and value.

One can’t learn to let go. But one can inspect intellectualization, which was learned, and realize the intellect is an illusion. For the intellectual there is love, beauty, and emotional relief, coming & going. For love-beauty, intellectual is just a thought, coming & going.

Here’s a seemingly insane approach which results in actual sanity, clarity & happiness. Happiness LOVES! LOVES! LOVES! Neo-Advaita. 🥰😍😘 The ego HATES Neo-Advaita. 😠 😡 😤 Why?

@Winter Thanks!! Guidelines have been revised. Softened quite a bit. Still though, love to hear any feedback you might have.

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Using it now but must be missing it. How so / what specifically?

“Wherever you go, here you are”. Go for the delight of the experience. Trips for the sake of experiencing the trip. If there’s an expectation ‘to change you’, inspect that ‘you’.

I think this can go perfectly both ways because it’s conversationally perspectival, in regard to what is without a perspective. Very hypothetically, two scenarios came to mind. Disclaimer though, I hold spirituality to = inspection of what is actual, real, non-conceptual, non-belief. This scenario came to mind as more in line with spirituality being something so to speak which is or isn’t privileged. One scenario, someone has access to the internet & all the trappings of life available, and listens to hours long videos of conceptual assertions, about themself, on a weekly basis. Scenario two, someone doesn’t have access to the internet, isn’t burdened with as many ‘trappings’, and those hundreds or perhaps thousands of hours after many years, were instead spent meditatively / meditating, or the like. There might not be the apparent mental confinement of the belief in the person who is poor (or rich). Just ‘two cents’. Not intended to be definitive. Maybe the only way to “ultimately know”, is feet in the shoes of both. If you’re poor, get rich. If you’re rich, get poor. That brings to mind challenges related to finance, of what’s available to ‘get rich’. Imo, the very challenges are the very means, to ‘getting rich’. But perhaps it depends on wether the person, separate self, is believed to be poor or rich. And maybe if there’s any truth to loa. Or what is, vs what will be.

The answer is only in meditating for twenty minutes a day. It’s too unbelievable.