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@Blessed2 Not pessimism as a concept which means something. Pessimism as an emotion… which is guidance in regard to the thoughts. Are we on the same page, that in regard to how these thoughts, or this thinking feels… is pessimism? This is not the same as saying you are, or you are being pessimistic. Is the emotion of pessimism felt?

@Zeroguy It’s on this thread, back a few pages… ‘Redline’, Geordie Keiffer.

At this point I’m convinced no one listened to the song. Geordie was a step ahead.

Yes, on the same page, as it’s noted the frustration, irritation and impatience felt, is in regard to, the thoughts. (Anxiety is an unnecessary additional conceptualization, thought, and is irrelevant, or, as you said ‘useless philosophy’.) What about pessimism? Is also felt & acknowledged?

Welcome! Meditation is meditation. Habit is a thought. Thoughts are ‘let go’ meditatively, by again bringing attention to feeling breathing from the stomach.

@Blessed2 A bit more, when considering “anxiety” is a conceptualization of frustration, irritation and impatience?

@Blessed2 Feeling overwhelment, frustration, irritation, and impatience?

@Blessed2 That’ll do just fine. It’s not a science. What’s the next higher emotion on the scale, from those? Or if it feels more clarifying, what’s the emotion which is being contextualized as “anxiety”?

Alternative orientation if interested in liberation of suffering, thought attachment, monkey mind and consciously creating the life you desire to experience… https://www.actualityofbeing.com/dreamboard-1 https://www.actualityofbeing.com/tools-1 Orientation wise, with respect to conscious creating, these really resonate in this direct experience… Lao-tzu, 6th century BC Reverence for life. Speak with honor & respect, and never harmful words or intentions, for yourself, all others, and all things. Understand that when you judge, you feel the discordant projection. Sincerity. Communicate with honesty & integrity, from the brightest and best of you. Be where you are, walk your talk. There is no expectation here that you should know anything you don’t, or be anyone, anything, or any way you aren’t. Gentleness. Communicate with kindness, mindfulness, empathy, and compassion. If you can not; utilize the suggestions & tools, specifically in regard to emotional expression & understanding, and healing therein, until you can. Supportiveness. Help, contribute, offer encouragement. Allow yourself to receive supportiveness: make use of the practices, tools, and insights you receive and exemplify them to the very best of your ability in your life. Care for and respect yourself & others. The Four Noble Truths as outlined in 624 B.C. by The Buddha: The truth of suffering. The truth of the cause of suffering. The truth of the end of suffering. The truth of the path that frees us from suffering. As taught by Jesus: Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Forgive others. Accept & allow forgiveness for yourself. Lean not on your understanding, but on Truth-God-Love. Proper use of thought and speech is not to condemn, embarrass, isolate, exclude or shame; but to help the suffering to heal, the blind to see, and the oppressed to liberate.

Consciousness seems to do this weird ‘trick’ so to speak, where it ignores it’s believing thoughts, and believes the discord is not from the ‘holding’ or focusing on the thoughts, but from what the thoughts are about. Often pointed to as “monkey mind”. (To note one is not a monkey) Consciousness is super smart and can inspect this. The “Magic” of the “trick” looks like “I’m right, I’m wrong, I’m God, I’m not God, You’re right, you’re wrong, you’re God, You’re not God, You’re God realized, you’re not God realized, you’re love, you’re not love, I’m love, I’m not love, I’m loving, you’re not loving, I’m not loving, you’re loving….etc” I thinks there’s infinite combinations of these dualistic symbols, so that could go on for a while apparently.

Which emotion is experienced?

@Orb 👊🏼❣️

@Nadosa Well that was fucking amazing. Every aspect. Amazing.

This is, in my opinion, an acute example of the suffering of projecting expectations, and how suffering can contribute to a certain twisting of what’s being read. Innocent, but none the less felt. Only that imo is what’s relevant. The suffering. The expectations, which are impossible to meet, are being ‘clung to’ more vehemently. Find what does not change, what does not come & go, and there you will find the safety you seek, and from there you will consciously create. This is indicative of, essentially a reiteration of the vision, intention and orientation of this forum. To expect this forum to be anything else, is to suffer. No one here wants to suffer, and intrinsically no one here wants you to suffer either. If you refrain from name calling & accusations, understanding effortlessly arises in that space. In the absence of that discord, naturally, is clarity. In clarity & understanding, healing naturally & effortlessly occurs, because it is allowed. From that understanding, healing and clarity, consciously creating is realized to be and directly experienced as equally effortless and natural. Actuality of Being Vision Supporting & serving a community of conscious creators. Forum Orientation Nonduality, self-realization, well being & alignment, sharing of best practices & insights, creating the life you dream of and spreading the Message therein.

That strikes me as a really good question. Just ‘two cents’, mere opinion, a sharing from experience if you will… To first apply brevity & state my point as simply as possible, while simply profound and profoundly simple - no thought is actually true. All suffering is rooted in ignorance, (is the ignoring of feeling, of Ourself). All ignorance is rooted in the believing of thoughts (is belief). Namely, specifically, in the ‘holding’ of thoughts to be separate… and therein as true, and believing in separation via… believing thoughts. This sounds simple, and it is painstakingly simple, it is self evident… but, the potential ramifications of the outright denial of this is astounding. One implication, is the consideration & inevitable recognition that no formulation or conceptualization is whole or true whatsoever, let alone completely or absolutely true. This of course applies to everything I say and to what I am saying now. This comparison of a village with the internet is just an offering of a perspective or two for consideration, and is nothing more than that… In a small village, anyone can experience delusion, the believing of thoughts, the ‘holding’ of the activity of thinking, to be true. One feels the discord and or alignment of thoughts, and can suppress discord in favor of believing the thoughts… in favor of a fleeting and false “sense” of inflation, of higher than, better than, of teacher, of arbitrator - of the shadow and not the light, of righteousness. In a small village, in the ongoing personal encounter, upon observing this person experiencing this delusion, one also feels the discord. In this case, one feels the discord of what is being shared by the person experiencing thought attachment, delusion. One will naturally gravitate away from this discord, which is to say, away from this person, which is really to say - away from delusion. Yet with the internet, nothing prevents anyone who is believing thoughts & experiencing delusion from asserting that it is not thought attachment, is not delusion, and that they do indeed ‘hold’, ‘understand’, and or ‘have’, ‘The Truth’. This is accomplished very simply and yet very very very - elusively. It is as simple as - never acknowledging this, and instead speaking confidently with conviction despite the discord they are experiencing, and even despite any toll the momentum of the discordant emotional suppression and social manipulation are taking on one’s own health. Something which is not possible to hide or keep out of sight, in the village. In the village, such a one is much more ‘known’ if you will. Day to day, week to week, month to month, for a lifetime. On the internet, this is not the case. One is ‘known’, only as what is purported through the channels of communication such as blogs, videos, forums, etc, etc. One is in this case never actually ‘known’ as in directly experienced, and combined with speaking in false convincing conviction, this element goes easily yet most unfortunately, entirely missed. What also unfortunately potentially goes entirely missed, in one’s own emotional suppression and social manipulation… one’s own mirroring if you will, unconscious adopting of… the conjecture… which was and remains, delusional. The suppression can be such, in our miraculous ability to adapt, that one quite literally does not have any insight as to why and how one is feeling the discord. One in such a predicament has most innocently entirely lost sight of the relevancy of… thought attachment, ignorance, suffering, and delusion. Again, the ramifications are astounding. Being be’s the conceptualizations of sadness, anxiety, depression, need, agitation, etc, etc - yet - Being never actually experiences these… other than as conceptualizations, of Itself. Other than as, thoughts. When one is not convinced by confidence and conviction in matters of spirituality, and instead adopts the practice of daily meditation, these conceptualizations are soon to effortlessly and naturally untangle and unravel, revealing feeling which is the peace & love the very thoughts are made of, and thus can be - are - seen as, no more than, the activity of thought. When the conceptualization ‘mental disorder’ is brought into the mix of this activity, and is believed & identified with, in the sense “I have this”, the ramifications are profoundly heartbreaking and astonishingly dismal. It is very easy to ‘slip into’ so to speak, further if you will, conceptualizations such as hopelessness, despair, desperation, isolation, and far worse imo, self-despair & self-pity. In a small village, discord is felt upon the experience of one purporting to have or understand ‘the truth’, and while this one may or may not be shunned, and may or may not be helped per se, others will at least initially naturally gravitate away, and perhaps experience compassion for their suffering. But with the internet this is not exactly so, it’s notably different. Via the internet one can manipulatively purport and convince others, for one’s own gain, that indeed they do hold the understanding, and that they themself - and not meditation - is the way.

@Celestial Thanks! I wonder that too.

@Tarak Interesting! @Celestial Share the story!? 🙂

@Cupcake From looking at the guidelines, write which guideline(s) you feel is being ignored or broken. If it’s something you don’t see in the guidelines, then write that. Write a few words describing the comment. It’s not a science, whatever you write will be fine. A guideline might or might not be broken, and a moderator may or may not issue a warning. The point is you won’t experience a situation as you describe of weeks or months. The comment will be looked at right then, same time as when you read it. Also, just as a head’s up, while there is typically a moderator present, there could as well be times there isn’t.

If & when what you shared here happens, click ‘report’ on the comment. On the first comment. When it happens. Not the next day or week etc. When you read the comment. Moderation isn’t for yesterday, or the past week, month or year. Moderation is not for people. We are not moderating people, or lives, or any kind of relationships, or even interactions. This is a forum, and the moderation is of a forum, of the comments. If a comment is questionable to you as far as the guidelines, go ahead and report it so a moderator see’s it. If it’s questionable to the moderator, they might or might not issue a warning. But, a moderator will have seen the comment as it was made, before even a second comment is made, let alone before days or weeks pass.

@Cupcake If & when someone makes a comment to you which is outside the guidelines, don’t reply to it, click ‘report’. Responding to that ‘report’ is what moderation is in regard to this forum. The moderation is not of people, it’s of individual comments. It’s not of a past, it’s of the ‘report’… the comment. As far as what I would do, I would let whatever it is go. Then I’d see more clearly how I ended up suffering, and I wouldn’t ‘step in the same hole’ again.

I understand what you’re saying. I’m saying a forum in none of those things because it is a forum. Whatever a forum seems to be beyond a forum, is perspectival & added if you will, by each member. My comment was hi-lighting an insight in regard to suffering. That expectations & suffering go hand in hand.

@Cupcake ‘It’s just a forum’ might not seem so at first, but it’s very wise. It’s a deep insight in regard to expectations and suffering. If anyone expects a forum to be more than or something other than a forum, they will certainly be let down, because it is just a forum. Same as anything. An apple is great as an apple, but if one expects an apple to be something else or more than an apple, one will feel disappointment because the expectation was impossible to meet.

It is just a forum. It’s useful as mirror but not as a garbage can. No one is required to participate, and it is free. No ads. No metadata mining. No market targeting. No ask. Make use. 🙂

@DMT Elf I’m not familiar with Bob Lazar, but I’ve seen a movie or two from Steven Greer and it seems very on point, specifically his take on consciousness. I also found the Simscity games to be very accurate, in that the ufo’s aren’t coming from outside the game.