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Yes. ‘Not two’ 🙂. Love’s weird like that. Forget’s it’s own infinitude, believes “thoughts” and that it’s a finite thingy. Nevertheless, feels the alignment & discord of the truth of it’s own infinite and unconditional nature. 🙏

🙂 Also could label the ‘worthless’ as an activity. As apposed to a feeling. It’s a different framing. In that way it could be, ‘presently I’m focusing on this activity, thoughts about worthy vs worthless… …what other activity might I prefer to focus on?’ Also, very subtle, but worthless is a judgement. In the self referential sense, worthless is a judgement of an illusory self / a nonexistent self. Thus, worthless isn’t actually possible to feel (because the separate self doesn’t actually exist, and thus can never feel being judged). There is a certain discordant feeling of judging / judgmental thoughts. One could never be the one feeling being judged as, worthless… …because one can only feel the activity of thought, the judging. Whereas unworthiness is an emotion felt, which is guidance in regard to the thoughts. Might seem like ‘I don’t like how this worthless issue feels’, but would really be, I don’t like how judging feels. The confusion would be there’s two me’s: judger & judged. The clarity would be ‘not two’. The relief of which, would be the expression instead, of jealousy. The more this perspective is focused on instead of the old one, the more momentum is felt.

@Ges No worries at all. No problem either! 🙂 More relatable than you might suspect. I was born into controlling a temper, in the environmental sense. Much respect for that you are saying whatever you’re saying, to me. 🙏🏻

Not necessarily. ‘That vibration’ could be you, vs you being in a that vibration. Illustrated at around 5:12…

What’s a ‘conceptual level’? What’s an example of a ‘nonconceptual level’? If “more” and “less” are not real… what then is ‘held’ to be, real? Where or when or what actually, is / are… ‘some days’? Examine thoughts, perception and sensation… and ‘fish out’ with absolute unquestionable certainty, what of direct experience is, not now.

The thought of meditating being uncomfortable, is a resistant feeling thought… and is let go, like any other thought, in meditation, and attention is returned to feeling breathing from the stomach (relaxation). If that is done a hundred times - in the letting go and feeling better sense, that is much much progress. Words can’t do this justice but, every time a discord is let go and breathing and relaxing the body is chosen, it adds up. There is a feeling better momentum which is felt. The thought about an “I” which can or can’t meditate, and is in time, is also, can be, let go in meditation. Not ‘pushing’ meditation here, but mentioning that because it might not have been realized, and this is why meditation feels so great. It’s for you / your well being / your relaxation. For letting go of any weight carrying or discord. It’s not to fix, solve, or get something done or accomplished. That can be hard to see when life is busy and thus far full of fixing, solving, getting stuff done and accomplishing. In a self inquiry manor, one can question - who does the thought feel uncomfortable to. Who can’t sit for five minutes. In the investigative spirt of self inquiry, really try to find that one. This also behooves presence. Addressing the thought directly, as in right now, and not the content or ‘story’ of the thought. Similarly, you can also minimize. Can I sit for five minutes tomorrow morning? … might feel lighter and more possible, than thinking about wether or not you can ‘everyday’. Direct inspection wise, you can bring attention / awareness directly to the sensation which is said to be uncomfortable / the uncomfortableness. This is like the looking in the closet to discover first hand that it’s empty. It can be difficult, but it does bring about significant and more lasting relief. There’s much you can do. It can be a bit of a pickle in that there is always something you can do to feel better, and there is never actually anything you need to do to feel better. One just has to navigate that. No one else knows really where one’s at, or is really in one’s shoes. Therapy, breathwork & using the emotional scale, specifically to release via expression and to feel peace & contentment come to mind. In a more ‘ultimately’ sense, there is nothing you can do which will be a deep lasting feeling better, except letting go of discordant beliefs, to see for yourself that feeling better is what’s always happening. It’s what you are, good feeling, love. Without discordant beliefs, there would only be, feeling pretty amazing. Expression & inspection would be the way to see, illuminate, and allow the release of, resistance, of discord or suffering. Also, discordant beliefs ‘show themselves’. Notice any ‘being triggered’, notice any ensuing reactions, but instead of reacting, relax from head to toe, focus on feeling breathing in the stomach, and see that the reactive not so good feeling does come & go. Insight into the why of the triggering, and thus the underlying belief, naturally then arises. Clarity, essentially. Which is synonymous with, good feeling, peace, love, or most simply, you / the true nature. As a very board stroke, “I’m tired of myself” is actually… I’m tried of some thoughts. That “myself” which doesn’t resonate, isn’t a self, but is thoughts, or let’s say ‘a cluster of thoughts or beliefs’, aka ‘the separate self’. You, are awesome. Which is why some thoughts don’t feel good, to you, awesomeness. But I mean like, for real, you are awesome. I don’t mean because of what you have, what you’ve done or will do. I just mean that you are = awesomeness.

🙂 Feel out allowing, vs doing. Start with the smallest of doings. Like doing the dishes. Watch the dishes being done, the hands moving, etc. Witness intelligence ‘in the real’, as the real. ‘Doer’ is just in the thoughts. Kind of a claiming, which can rob us of the joy & enjoyment. I think that’ll become allowing talking to ‘her’, in addition to allowing any discordant thoughts to come & go, not be taken to seriously. Also, weight is lifted in this way. Less attention to ‘doer’ thoughts, is less later attention to ‘what I should’ve done’, ‘what I didn’t do’, ‘what I should do’, ‘what the Smith’s are doing’, etc. A clearing out of a lot of thought activity, via really just seeing it for what it is, thoughts. Liberation. Freedom! ✊🏼 🙂 🙏🏻 If it were a song I’d name it The Standstill. We call them cool Those hearts that have no scars to show The ones that never do let go And risk the tables being turned We call them fools Who have to dance within the flame Who chance the sorrow and the shame That always comes with getting burned But you got to be tough when consumed by desire 'Cause it's not enough just to stand outside the fire We call them strong Those who can face this world alone Who seem to get by on their own Those who will never take the fall We call them weak Who are unable to resist The slightest chance love might exist And for that forsake it all They're so hell bent on giving, walking a wire Convinced it's not living if you stand outside the fire Life is not tried, it is merely survived If you're standing outside the fire There's this love that is burning Deep in my soul Constantly yearning to get out of control Wanting to fly higher and higher I can't abide - standing outside the fire In the Bible there’s ‘the fall’, which I equate to daring, but failing - ‘falling’… in terms of giving it your very best, only to have your heart broken. I won’t pretty it up, it sucks real bad. But, it breaks open. An experienced veteran in sales once said to me, when I was down in the dumps… “Some will, some won’t. So what.” Thanks. You’re not weak. Weak’s a thought, a judgment. Conditioning coming up & out imo. There’s no weak. It’s just a discordant belief. That’s why the thought, as you said, sucks. Just doesn’t resonate. Two cents, if & when that thought arises, flip the script. Picture ‘her’ right here right now in front of you. Hear her telling you she’s weak. See the expression on her face. And tell her she’s not. Even if, and especially to, jump in the fire. That’s what you want, she wants, I want, we all want. 🙂 We get caught up in what other people think, or might think. Come home to ‘what do I think?’ I mean, you’re eventually gonna croak either way. Just say fuck it and take a shot. Some will, some wont, so what. Sun comes up again. If you haven’t, give this a go. It’s simple and crazy effective.

What a powerful list.

I was demoted & asked to leave for commenting on a thread in which the op was asking if there was perhaps a flaw in Leo’s communication, specifically in regard to there being a you which is avoiding the truth. The member pointed out and or questioned if that is misleading, and sited me as offering a more straightforward clearer communication in this regard. I offered once again, there is only love, that love is infinite and unconditional, there are no separate selves, there is no you which avoids a or a the, truth. I also was very transparent with Leo, as seen by the private messages shared publicly, in the suggestions of putting his own alignment so to speak, his own health and well being, first. Honestly, I often feel as if I’m the only voice of compassion for Leo. But this likely relates to being the only one who’s actually spent some time with him. (In person if you will, as compared to a camera). I (once again) implore anyone interested to do the same. I feel strongly that anyone who does, will see the communications, his videos, very very differently, and would also have much more compassion for him, and would also suggest that he prioritize his own health & well being. Also, I only mention this aspect as he mentioned this. He seemed like privacy is exceptionally important to him, and I respect privacy. I otherwise would not, and never did, share publicly that we hung out. Getting back to your comment, there isn’t a problem. You’re saying there is a problem. Same thing Leo did. Miscommunications happen. So what. No self, no problem. Communication can always continue. No need to argue, nor accuse, belittle, re-contextual what was said, etc, etc. I’m open to feedback. If I don’t understand what was said, such as here with @Joseph Maynor, I simply ask for clarification. I don’t say we have a problem and talk about him in a demeaning manor. That’s asinine imo. I don’t say they are being cryptic or vague years later, just because I don’t understand what they said. This is glaringly defensive posturing & disingenuous (imo). It can not be my responsibility to clarify, when nothing is asked about what I said. When asked to, I am always happy to clarify. There’s never a problem, when there is no interest in being right, or defending stances of being right. Pain & suffering are more than amply self evident. These conversations are for the enjoyment of these conversations. It’s not personal, there’s no problem. Only one of us is saying you’re stupid. I didn’t say anything about you in regard to not understanding what was said at all, I said you can refer to it and to what you said, to see the difference. To see how you changed the context. In your most recent reply above, you are again changing the context of what was said and making gross accusations. I didn’t say it was out of context, as if there were a ‘right context’ it should be in, I said you changed the context of what was said. I also did not say that you are deliberately changing the context. I don’t think that at all. It is precisely because you are changing the context and not seeing that you are, as far as I can see, that I suggested comparing the two comments. That you might see that you are doing this.

Imo, this was a good thread. https://community.actualityofbeing.com/topic/275-byron-katie’s-profoundly-simple-incredibly-powerful-four-questions-and-turnaround-‘work’/ “I'm doing it. 🙂”

@Joseph Maynor I’m happy to get some feedback in regard to that accusation. Not sure what else could be done, but to ask you to clarify.

And you are concerned with driving traffic into this site? Or you’re insinuating I am maybe? Asking cause I don’t really know what you mean here, as to how I or my comment was ‘dodgy’.

How so?

Lol, no sir. My sentiment could not be more opposite. Just pointing out the context was changed, rather than responded to, essentially bringing the communication at hand, to an end.

😂 jk of course. I knows I knows I knows that. @Whimsical Let me know if it’s working now. Made a couple changes that might be the difference maker. Looking normal on my phone. @Faith The default is the first one that was made, the blue & grey. I think the Spirit Island theme looks better and was about to change the default to that one… till I read what you wrote lol! I should probably make a pinned ‘tips on the forum’ thread, pointing out where the themes are etc.

@Ges Totally understandable. Much love.

@Ges Appreciate the reply, but it wasn’t a response to what was said. It was only a re-contextualizing of what was said. If interested, you can read what was said and your response and see this. Again though, no implication here that you need to or should.

Well that is weird! @Zeroguy said the love theme had some issues. That’s probably it. I’d assumed he just wasn’t being loving enough. 😕 Do other themes have the same issue? I’ll look into the love theme. Must be some kind of bug. Thanks!

A while is too long! You might be holding feeling great, hostage… and simultaneously keeping the girl you want at bay. That’s what I’m suspecting. It sounds like the ol’ exhausting up & down cycle. If you know what you want, and it’s a relationship, a girlfriend, then you are already attracting a girlfriend. That desire is present regardless of what you think about it. Really, it’s present wether you think about it or don’t think about it at all. There isn’t much to think about in regard to the desire or what the desire is for. You already know. It’s for a girlfriend. Who basically ends up being perfect for you, and you have amazing chemistry, and you fall in love and we never hear from you again. That’s like 90 or 99.9% of the whole thing and it’s ready done. The desire, the knowing, already done. Now it’s just steering. But just, backwards though. Attracting. Attraction is always ‘in kind’, matching, similarities. You’re desiring a relationship, and your vibration as of late is of unworthiness. That would mean you’re attracting a girl who also does desire a relationship… but… believes she isn’t worthy. There’s a girl who’s wanting you, you’re the guy who basically ends up being perfect for her, and you two have amazing chemistry, and you fall in love, big time us, and you’re out. What if you’re attracting her but she’s believing you don’t want her, and she’s attracting you while you’re believing she doesn’t want you? There’s only two possible outcomes as far as I can see. Stand firm in ‘your she doesn’t like me’ & hope she breaks. At the worst, you both hold your ground until death and you’re united in eternal love. 🙂 Or, and this might be even crazier, you turn the struggle of motivation into good feeling inspiration, and raise your vibration from unworthiness to positive expectation / belief, and optimism. This would then mean that you would be attracting her, and that she is now a vibrational match to you. Now when you guys pass each other in the aisle at the grocery store, are sitting back to back at the bar, or waiting for the police to come for your fender bender… you believe she wants you and she believes you want her. It will feel great to her to feel that you want her. And there won’t be much rollercoaster relationship wise, just a lot of exploring the depths of each other & manifesting some wild Kevin flavored dream together as the crazy kids you are. It’s not mind reading or mind control, just loa. Words, behaviors and actions can compensate for the vibration, but it will feel as you said, like efforting, crashing, some hopelessness and or disconnectedness, and or loneliness. A relationship of that vibration, by that means, would be more tumultuous. At least initially & for a bit. Less likely to be enjoyable or to last. Kind of a short wicked firecracker. Exciting, and then right into fizzling out. We both know what I’m saying here is new sex is pretty much golden, but you honestly want much more than just that. ‘Isn’t it so?’ Activities like exercise & meditation can be experienced in a manor which is a means to an end, as motivation with a motive in mind (relationships). But they can also be experienced for what they are, well being without any contingencies, expectations, or intentions at all. Those activities inherently feel good, and that good feeling might be sort of hijacked, held hostage, in associating it with ‘towards the future’, with having the relationship. But I suggest that great feeling is you and is just for, you. I’d keep it in the closest of vibrational proximity, feel into it more & more, blow it up, bask in it really. Fill the whole house with it. Those practices, or activities are nourishing. The former, motive, can ‘get it done’ too, but the latter is inspiration, raising vibration, attracting the relationship you really want, and having lasting clarity & understanding in doing so. The whole while btw, effortless feeling. Without the resistance between what you want (her), and your (no offense I hope) belief you can read minds and know what she thinks about you… and without any motives, expectation or intention upon your activities, upon your now… essentially you’re much more present, feeling much more, feeling different about things and therefore doing things a bit differently… and she will just, ‘show up’… like they all do. We all love a ‘how we met’ story. Always weird stories. Stories of synchronicity though. ‘It seemed like the universe just brought us together’, people always say. Feeling great can’t be held to be in a future, or believed to be the result of something or someone. Feeling great can’t be held hostage with a contingency of a relationship, or earned, or worthy of. That great feeling is your infinitude, and it is too big to be held, and too effervescent to be held down in any way. It is what be’s her for you, and it is unquestionably present now. It’s because of how much you are loved that some of these thoughts about yourself, and about what she thinks, feel as they do. You are as deserving of having and experiencing what you desire & want as the sun is warm. Feeling better has to be now. Can’t feel better in a future. Also can’t expect to go from 1 to 100. But from 1 to 2 feels better, and 2 to 3 even more so. Pick better feeling thoughts. Only now, and only a 2, instead of a 1. A 3, instead of a 2. Recognizing that feeling better is the whole key. Knowing it is always present & available. Letting tense or discordant thoughts etc go, and allowing, and knowing… that good feeling does arise, is really the key. I’m sure you and her will create wonderful things together and having some amazing experiences, but there’s just not quite a supplement in the world for allowing the love from within to arise. Careful not to be mind-reading the love too. For all you know it might actually have no clue what unworthiness is. It might literally just be like ‘really, honestly, I have no clue what you’re talking about’. 🙂 And if you ‘lose it’… then it has to be now again. Let thoughts about it being in a future come & go and, by relaxing and breathing, and getting into perception & feeling a little more. Ask, ‘how much of this is happening right now though?’ Presence, now, always feels good. You’ll always find you’re in luck when you ‘reach for it’, because it always turns out it is now again. And again. And again. The love doesn’t go anywhere. It really is the key, recognizing and feeling that good feeling is always present. If that resonates or makes sense, then to some degree you’re already feeling a little better. Hope so.

No worries. No one understands consciousness really. Consciousness. Yes. Yes, as in, of course those words can be said and those thoughts can be experienced. But if you mean are there really two selves, no. Just the one infinite self, also referred to as awareness, happiness, infinity, eternity, beauty, peace and unconditional love. It this experience it was found that thinking in terms of there being two selves was an unnecessary busy work of the mind. (But btw, don’t take my word for any of this. Careful not to form beliefs, gotta actually ‘see’ the ineffable undeniable Truth for yourself. I’m probably being overly cautious in saying this, but it’s worth mentioning imo.) If I’m understanding you accurately, then yes, this indeed sounds like an experience(s) of transcendence. Other words that come to mind which typically are used to ‘point’ to the beauty and magic of consciousness… effortlessness, streaming, flow, grace and in the zone. I like - “this peace”. As far as the 1st, 2nd, 3rd person… there is no experience or perspective which is not consciousness, but there is what seems to be ‘obscured’ experience, in which that grace or flow, that “super happy”, “alive”, “aliveness” doesn’t seem to be present. It (consciousness) is of course eternally ever-present, but experientially, sometimes seemed not to be. In this experience, that seeming ‘obscuring’ of the happiness & beauty of consciousness has been the activity of thoughts or just simply, some thoughts. Mostly thoughts about there being a ‘separate me or myself’, or judgmental thoughts about a me, a person or people, and or just life in general. It was found that these thoughts, while not wrong or a problem, just didn’t jive with the love that I really am. It was also found, that thoughts which don’t match my desires feel discordant, and thoughts in line with desire really seem to open the flood gates of this peace, beauty & happiness, wether the desires were realized, as in wether ‘the stuff’ manifested or not. It seem that what we can dream of, this peace can be. So some thought, about how “it can’t be”, or “not for me though”… those kind of thoughts just didn’t match or resonate with, this peace and love that is. There were also experiences of anxiety, depression, being afraid and being triggered here too. Through inspection it was found it was, so to speak, what I was thinkin and or believing. There were some misunderstandings, misinterpretations and misidentification, which this peace helped me to see if you will, were just basically off in some ways. When those were inspected and ‘seen through’, alignment occurred and felt ineffably good. That kind of goes back to consciousness being infinite. There isn’t an inside & outside of what is infinite. There is experientially a difference between inside and outside the spheres, but not a literal difference as again it’s all this love and peace, or just, consciousness. That difference could be said to be with & without thoughts, perception and sensation. Not imply there is a loss or lack in the absence of these experiences. Quite the contrary. An unimaginable fullness. Also the word ‘reality’ is like ‘existence’. It is often used to describe experience, being that of thought, perception & sensation. But upon so to speak, being outside of the spheres, reality is then seen, understood, thought of etc, as not experience (and also still as experience too). It’s hard to communicate, impossible really, but “outside” is “more real” than “inside” spheres wise. Then, in experience, there is ‘infinite mind’ in addition to the classic experience of ‘thoughts’. Not exactly sure what is meant by the bubble, sorry. Kinda sounds like maybe a thought, or self referential thought arises…? Like there is directly feeling… then maybe a thought about “I am feeling”… and then a bubble is formed? Not sure. That “dying”, I think I get what you’re saying. Maybe it’s similar or the same as when I am using the word ‘discord’. Btw, your English is great, and I hope you don’t mind me saying, but there is something intangible and truly remarkable vibe wise that comes through. Very beautiful. I don’t know what it is, but it is lovely.

@Forza21 ✊🏼

Great question imo. If it seems to in any way actually result in any kind of harm, I think yes. Otherwise, I think closing threads cause they get crazy is sort of like quitting therapy after one or two visits. (Not to at all actually equate this forum to therapy.) More of a, never quit before the breakthrough outlook.

😂 God, you are sneaky devil, and I’m lovin it.

There are other more productive facets of this forum y’all. 🙂 Productive as in, contributes to bringing an end to suffering and simultaneously consciously creating the change you actually desire in your life. This is one example…

Unfortunately, yes that is also the case, and this is me trying to ‘reel it in’ a bit. What you said was people are hating Leo. No one said that. Hate is an emotion. It isn’t ‘in the world’, it’s projection, or nonexistent. Obviously as God you are already aware of this. Maybe as God, you are also inclined to the ‘reeling it in’ orientation. Seems as if you would be, or are perhaps deluded.