Jonas Long Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 @Phil I don't even use that crazy forum...it's a total shitshow....I don't use any forums really, I just made some videos critical of leo and people see them and send me down these rabbit holes and tell me to look into this and that....I should probably just quit responding to them Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, Lester Retsel said: Maybe it is related afterall lol...you said something like "anything you can be aware of can't be you" but what exactly makes you think that's the case? You said it as though it were self evident, but I don't see any reason why you can't have awareness of yourself. really? i would look a bit more into things if it's not self evident that anything you can be aware of can't be you. For example a chair, a thought, your leg, a sensation in your finger, a feeling in you stomach, a sound. You think any of those "things" or anything else you can become aware of is you? It's very self evident it's not. you seem very critical of these sorts of teachings, maybe its not the right place for you? nobody is forcing you to be on any of these forums. Just saying because you don't seem to try to be interested in getting something out of it, other than some drama or something maybe. i'm sure many people find the very valueable to be here:) and its free for all of us, unless you want the luxury of someones time and energy privately to help you. Private therapy/education of any kind is always expensive, don't really see what you are trying to expose. Edited August 6, 2022 by WhiteOwl Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl sure, you can be aware of things that aren't you, of course, but how is that by its very nature mutually exclusive from things that are you? That's the but that yall seem to breeze over so easily. Yes, I'm not really fit for these forums,, I think yall are silly and lacking in critical thinking and just wanna feel good and like you're examining things without really doing so...I keep getting directed here by people who watch my videos and urge me to look into yalls drama. Yes, I should quit responding to those people. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl I can be aware of things about other people, inanimate objects, thoughts, etc....you can be aware of a plethora of different things...why do you assume that "yourself" can't be one of the things you can be aware of? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl Ive seen therapists for $30 per session, and my own, in life spiritual teacher, who is absolutely legit, charges the same. I know because I know him that he is more intelligent and experienced than Phil of fucking "nahm" or whatever culturally appropriated name he wants to give himself. Yes, he seems like a total charlatan, and even that amout he charges is criminal imo. It is straight exploitation. Capitalism is the ruin of spirituality. It's totally corrupt here in the west 99% of the time. For. Sure. Sorry. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Ban me, I don't wanna be here. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: @WhiteOwl sure, you can be aware of things that aren't you, of course, but how is that by its very nature mutually exclusive from things that are you? That's the but that yall seem to breeze over so easily. What "things" then are you aware of that is you? 5 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: @WhiteOwl I think yall are silly and lacking in critical thinking and just wanna feel good and like you're examining things without really doing so... Okay 😚 2 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: @WhiteOwl Ive seen therapists for $30 per session, and my own, in life spiritual teacher, who is absolutely legit, charges the same. I know because I know him that he is more intelligent and experienced than Phil of fucking "nahm" or whatever culturally appropriated name he wants to give himself. Yes, he seems like a total charlatan, and even that amout he charges is criminal imo. It is straight exploitation. Capitalism is the ruin of spirituality. It's totally corrupt here in the west 99% of the time. For. Sure. Sorry. Alright mate.. looks like there are better places for you to be than here. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: Ban me, I don't wanna be here. You're acting a bit nuts mate, hope you are alright. Nobody asked you to be here you can just cross the browser window and not come back. I remember you saying that a few month ago also.. Edited August 6, 2022 by WhiteOwl Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl *you're Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl yall can't even spell, why would I want to learn spirituality from you? Dumbass western appropriation of cultures you know fuck all about....yeah *i* sounds nuts...I sure am. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @WhiteOwl there's no me bro...must be your projection of me that sounds nuts Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 "Awareness is only aware of Awareness aware of being aware..." Yeah... I must be the silly nonsense boy here Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: @WhiteOwl yall can't even spell, why would I want to learn spirituality from you? Dumbass western appropriation of cultures you know fuck all about....yeah *i* sounds nuts...I sure am. nobody says you should want to learn anything here, nobody.. and i can't talk for the yall category, but in my case english is not my first language. best of luck to you, im out of this. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @Lester Retsel Please stop making off topic posts. I think you've made your point. Quote Mention You're a thought. Do you think a thought is going to occupy 'no thought'. The 'changeless' can be realized only when the ever-changing thought-flow stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @Faith Ok, I'm not really scared of women, so, I don't really have anything to add here....um, "namas...." no, can't do it...byeeeee😘 Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Lester Retsel said: sure, you can be aware of things that aren't you, of course, but how is that by its very nature mutually exclusive from things that are you If it is realized things are you, it is realized there aren’t things. That you, awareness, are infinite as the ‘appearance’ of all (otherwise) ‘things’. Neti neti is a practice, a method, an approach. The suggestion is then to the method or approach of self inquiry; to the feeling of being you, awareness. Infinitude can’t be realized cognitively, or via the activity of appearing finite thoughts. Therein lies the factor of un-believability, and therein, the ‘obstacle’ of shooting the apparent messenger, aka projection or othering. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @Phil whatever "nahm" sounds like a bunch of semantics to me. I do trust my sense of people, I am a fairly intuitive person, and the sense I get very clearly from you is of a shifty eyed charlatan, and it seems I'm not the only one... we can't all be "projecting'...if enough people are seeing the same dirt on your screen, you gotta wonder if it's really them and not you, at some point, or don't, i have no investment here. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) @Phil so....is THAT how you justify taking peoples money? You'd be "othering" if you perceived it as something other than yourself giving money to yourself? Well...."othering" can certainly save "your" ass from getting ripped off, that's for sure, so, maybe it's not such a bad thing really.... Edited August 6, 2022 by Lester Retsel Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 @Lester Retsel If you could make a living doing anything you wanted to do, what would you do? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eothasian Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Mandy said: @Lester Retsel If you could make a living doing anything you wanted to do, what would you do? 3D Artist Quote Mention Animals are good people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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