Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, A Tim said: Honest, unskilled work doing similar work to landscaping. Try doing your job after a week of barely eating, sleeping outside, living with whatever conditions they've been living with. And keep in mind you are a target demographic for serial killers and sexual assaulters, with vans often. Ever seen American psycho? Edited April 12 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 21 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: The first few layers are creating issues to fix, for me. FOR ME, FOR ME, FOR ME, FOR ME Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Tim Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Jonas Long said: Try doing your job after a week of barely eating, sleeping outside, living with whatever conditions they've been living with. "There's always an excuse when you need one. There's always an excuse when you need oooone... ooooooone. Alwaaaaaaays." Regardless, I'm offering them some kind of income for some kind of effort. A hand extended... and they appear to prefer to return to/continue "barely eating, sleeping outside, living with whatever conditions they've been living with." Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Mandy said: FOR ME, FOR ME, FOR ME, FOR ME I'm saying that because I'm not assuming that's how everyone paints. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Reborn2 said: I agree it feels good, if only there was a way to ensure they won't buy any bullshit with those 50 bucks, but stuff that's actually good for them. It would then feel much better Here's an argument for the other side of the coin; by being more selfish and making more money for yourself and keeping that money and property for yourself, you have a lot more to give to other people, you also have a lot more money that a potentially fictional, well functioning and ethically/morally consistent goverment could tax, and such fictional goverment would be a lot more capable than you are in dealing with homelesness. Effective resource allocation. Therefore, maybe those 50 bucks would be better spent by such goverment than giving it to Bob who's gonna spend it on bunch of beers and a pack of smokes to cope with his life Yeah idk I just did it because it felt good and it felt right. I don’t care what he used it for, he could have bought heroin and I wouldn’t care. I just saw he was going through it and he seemed really sad and his genuineness came through. And I guess it was cool to see how appreciative he was for something like 50 bucks which I take for granted. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 @Jonas Long Well channel Bob Ross and make some happy f-ing trees. It's as easy as that. Hmm..that's what mom said I was. 🤔 Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 14 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: At least you're a homo. Aren’t you gay? Why are you being homophobic Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Mandy said: @Jonas Long Well channel Bob Ross and make some happy f-ing trees. It's as easy as that. That's what mom said I was. 🤔 I don't want to? Where are you going with this? Let's try directness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Try doing your job after a week of barely eating, sleeping outside, living with whatever conditions they've been living with. And keep in mind you are a target demographic for serial killers and sexual assaulters, with vans often. Ever seen American psycho? American psycho is fiction. Edited April 12 by Kevin To be more respectful Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Health care, including mental health, rehab for addicts, support networks of some kind. Definition of deal as in “deal with”: to do something about (a person or thing that causes a problem or difficult situation). Objective? Subjective? (Framing / interpretation). Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Kevin said: Aren’t you gay? Why are you being homophobic No, and I'm not. I meant homosapien. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Jonas Long said: No, and I'm not. I meant homosapien. My bad I honestly assumed you were trying to be rude. I appologize Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kevin said: Lol American psycho is fiction. It’s not a documentary😂 That trope appears in fiction because it happens in life "lol". Unhoused people and sex workers are common targets because their misfortunes are not investigated well. Edited April 12 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: I don't want to? Where are you going with this? Let's try directness. Not in a playful mood at all today, huh? We don't make mistakes. We are not mistakes because this is art, it's always now, and now is a blank canvas. There is no one to blame for any of it. In blaming them, you give them the illusion of power that they have also bought into. Use the power of illusion, not the illusion of power. The victim uses the illusion of power the same way the abuser or perpetrator does. Because they have that in common, the fundamental use of the illusion of power, they attract one another. That is the power of the illusion. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 At the end of the day I think everyone is truly responsible for themselves. Yes some people have it easier and others have it harder. Donald trumps “small loan of a million dollars” certainly made his life easier than someone growing up with poor abusive parents. However, focusing on this is simply unproductive and unhelpful and feeds a victim mindset. My dad grew up dirt poor in an abusive environment. As far as I know he never dwelled on his victim hood. If he did he wouldn’t have made something of himself. The homelessness situation is tough because there are certain people who, with a little help, would turn their life around. Others cannot be helped because they don’t want to be helped. when I was smoking crack I had all the resources in the world to quit. I even went to rehab. But nothing would make me quit until I was ready to quit. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 18 minutes ago, A Tim said: "There's always an excuse when you need one. There's always an excuse when you need oooone... ooooooone. Alwaaaaaaays." Regardless, I'm offering them some kind of income for some kind of effort. A hand extended... and they appear to prefer to return to/continue "barely eating, sleeping outside, living with whatever conditions they've been living with." I'm just saying, there's no fucking way I'm getting in your van, I don't care how desperate I am. I don't know what your agenda is, I'll take what I already have and know, even if it sucks. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: I'll take what I already have and know, even if it sucks. Satisfied with that? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Mandy said: Satisfied with that? Enough so that I'm not getting into a strangers van, especially one with a clearly shitty and superior attitude to me. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Jonas Long said: Enough so that I'm not getting into a strangers van, especially one with a clearly shitty and superior attitude to me. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 37 minutes ago, Kevin said: Yeah idk I just did it because it felt good and it felt right. I don’t care what he used it for, he could have bought heroin and I wouldn’t care. I just saw he was going through it and he seemed really sad and his genuineness came through. And I guess it was cool to see how appreciative he was for something like 50 bucks which I take for granted. I get it man. It feels good to give. It always felt good for me as well Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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