Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 All separate selves are inherently Homeless. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 There are no separate selves. How can there be? Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 @Reena Who knows there is mental illness, personality(s), assertion, failure, family, society, other, spacetime, etc, etc, etc? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Phil said: @Reena/ Who knows there is mental illness, assertion, failure, family, society, etc, etc, etc? These are parts of the same unseparated self. All selves lead to one unified whole. Individuation is not the same as separation. Are your children not all children? Of course they are. Yet they are individuals with distinct taste preferences, maybe one child of yours loves pizza, the other loves apple pies. But their individuation does not stop them from being your children. Same way. Individuation is not separatedness. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Reena said: These are parts of the same unseparated self. All selves lead to one unified whole. Individuation is not the same as separation. Are your children not all children? Of course they are. Yet they are individuals with distinct taste preferences, maybe one child of yours loves pizza, the other loves apple pies. But their individuation does not stop them from being your children. Same way. Individuation is not separatedness. 6 minutes ago, Reena said: There are no separate selves. How can there be? How are there parts of a separate self / selves, which there isn’t? How do selves, which as you say there aren’t, lead or lead to anything? There aren’t separate selves, but there are children? And they’re mine…? Who’s? Who knows “of course they are”, “they as individuals”? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Phil said: How are there parts of a separate self / selves, which there isn’t? How do selves, which as you say there aren’t, lead or lead to anything? There aren’t separate selves, but there are children? And they’re mine…? Who’s? Who knows “of course they are”, “they as individuals”? All are parts of the unseparated self. There is no who. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Reena said: All are parts of the unseparated self. There is no who. Individuation is “the” process by which an individual becomes distinct. Seen such a “process”? Ever seen “parts”? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Phil said: Individuation is “the” process by which an individual becomes distinct. Seen such a “process”? Ever seen “parts”? Distinction is different from separation. You can have an arm and a leg. Both are distinct. One is an arm and the other is a leg. Yet they aren't separated. But they are distinct. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Reena said: Distinction is different from separation. You can have an arm and a leg. Both are distinct. One is an arm and the other is a leg. Yet they aren't separated. But they are distinct. The you that has is by definition separate of, what it is said to have. “You” is “not me”. Never actually seen, only thoughts believed. Same for distinctions. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Phil said: The you that has is by definition separate of, what it is said to have. “You” is “not me”. Never actually seen, only thoughts believed. The you is not separate from me. Not even in pronoun. You as in me. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Reena said: The you is not separate from me. Not even in pronoun. You as in me. What is “the you”? (Which is not separate from me) Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Phil said: What is “the you”? (Which is not separate from me) It is nothingness. Ultimately. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 @Reena Ultimately? ”Nothingness”!?? More parts? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 You don't see systemic power in the same way you don't see wind. You see and feel the effect of both. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Phil said: @Reena Ultimately? ”Nothingness”!?? Yep. The whole process is transcendence. Like Osho said. You have to transcend everything to reach nothingness. The kind of nothingness that makes everything else insignificant. Carl Sagan says it. We're nothing but a speck of dust. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 @Reena Osho was a bum. Carl Sagan a fool. Birds of a feather. Process junkies. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Phil said: @Reena Osho was a bum. Carl Sagan a fool. Birds of a feather. Process junkies. Why do people fall under their sway? I agree btw. Edited April 12 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: You don't see systemic power in the same way you don't see wind. You see and feel the effect of both. I do. Isn’t it? Not some you. And what is it actually, in reality, which is felt? The interpretation, isn’t it so? Feel great or not great? How many hornets must come? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 6 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Why do people fall under their sway? I agree btw. The belief the sway (oscillation) is “their’s”. The minor fall to the major lift… The hook brings you back, on that you can rely. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) I agree it feels good, if only there was a way to ensure they won't buy any bullshit with those 50 bucks, but stuff that's actually good for them. It would then feel much better Here's an argument for the other side of the coin; by being more selfish and making more money for yourself and keeping that money and property for yourself, you have a lot more to give to other people, you also have a lot more money that a potentially fictional, well functioning and ethically/morally consistent goverment could tax, and such fictional goverment would be a lot more capable than you are in dealing with homelesness. Effective resource allocation. Therefore, maybe those 50 bucks would be better spent by such goverment than giving it to Bob who's gonna spend it on bunch of beers and a pack of smokes to cope with his life Edited April 12 by Reborn2 Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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