WhiteOwl Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I always feel jealousy towards friends or people who have been into fights. Fighting is such a primal drive and i think there is a deep rooted fear in many people, especially guys, about being confronted. Like the fight club movie says "How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?" I think there is a lot of growth in seeing your reaction in a situation like that with another person. Guy in my case. I just kinda don't want to risk some stupid injury or something, but the body is capable of more than you think. What do you guys think about this? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Would you have these beliefs and thoughts about fighting if women didn't exist? Is this based on a belief that winning another man in fight is something that is required in order to experience true love from a woman? This is what came in mind first. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Join some karate club to do mock fights. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 10 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Would you have these beliefs and thoughts about fighting if women didn't exist? Is this based on a belief that winning another man in fight is something that is required in order to experience true love from a woman? If you go very deeply maybe everything has to do with that. Overcoming yourself to find a woman, i don't know, but not in the way you ask i think. Its also not about winning, its about exploring the uncomfortable emotions that comes up in a confrontation like that. As with every other strong reaction and emotion i guess there is just as huge potential for growth here. 10 hours ago, Reena said: Join some karate club to do mock fights. I did do BJJ for a little while and loved it. It doesn't give exactly the same though when its arranged on in a club. Not much different from playing football or whatever. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Psychonautica Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 15 hours ago, WhiteOwl said: I always feel jealousy towards friends or people who have been into fights. Fighting is such a primal drive and i think there is a deep rooted fear in many people, especially guys, about being confronted. Like the fight club movie says "How much can you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?" I think there is a lot of growth in seeing your reaction in a situation like that with another person. Guy in my case. I just kinda don't want to risk some stupid injury or something, but the body is capable of more than you think. What do you guys think about this? I would take it a step further and say "How much can you know about yourself if you have never LOST a fight?" I'm talking about getting absolutely twatted here. It teaches you the reality of the world, that there are situations where control can be completely taken away from you, and you are powerless to do anything about it. It humbles you, you realize you are not invincible, and you will learn not to do whatever got you into that situation in the first place. Perhaps it will motivate you not to be the guy on the bottom lying in a pool of his own blood, so you will seek out appropriate training to prevent that. Its not a pleasant experience, but it is a valuable one. Quote Mention My YouTube channel - Adeptus Psychonautica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said: I would take it a step further and say "How much can you know about yourself if you have never LOST a fight?" I'm talking about getting absolutely twatted here. I don't see it about winning or losing. I wouldn't want to beat up anyone for real. But just getting to see how you react and get more comfortable with it will put you in a different place dealing with men in particular, as there is that unknown aspect of not knowing how you will react or what you are capable of in case something happens. And that could prevent some communication etc 10 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said: Its not a pleasant experience, but it is a valuable one. Would you also say that to a rape victim? Better not to lose complete control in some cases i would imagine. Edited February 19 by WhiteOwl Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just infect yourself with aids. How much can you know about yourself if you've never been infected with aids? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 So funny how everyone still totally misses the point of that movie. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Just infect yourself with aids. How much can you know about yourself if you've never been infected with aids? I dont really fear getting aids. Its not something i ever think about or something that influences any behaviour. 13 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: So funny how everyone still totally misses the point of that movie. Where do you read anything about the point of the movie? I quoted one phrase being said in the movie, which most people know thats why it was used for the topic. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I find this hard to wrap my head around, except for wanting to get involved in martial arts or some sort of sport. In my experience there's few turn offs like having someone get into a fight over you because it displays reactivity, aggression, scarcity thinking and also reveals that you're being viewed as a possession or a thing to be owned. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mandy said: I find this hard to wrap my head around, except for wanting to get involved in martial arts or some sort of sport. In my experience there's few turn offs like having someone get into a fight over you because it displays reactivity, aggression, scarcity thinking and also reveals that you're being viewed as a possession or a thing to be owned. Its not fighting over anyone or for something. Its more exploring what arises in a situation like that. People i know that have been into many fight seem to have some sort of confidence in themselves. @MandyIts the same as doing uncomfortable things in public. Its to confront a hidden fear. Edited February 19 by WhiteOwl Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn2 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Inteligence beats brute strength 9/10, which is why humans are on the top of the food chain and not gorrillas. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: Its not fighting over anyone or for something. Its more exploring what arises in a situation like that. People i know that have been into many fight seem to have some sort of confidence in themselves. Ok, sure, but is that really what you want? Putin has a lot of confidence. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: I dont really fear getting aids. Its not something i ever think about or something that influences any behaviour. Where do you read anything about the point of the movie? I quoted one phrase being said in the movie, which most people know thats why it was used for the topic. The line is said by Tyler Durden at the start of the movie when the audience is meant to think he's cool. By the end, it's clear he's been a delusional d bag, and we understand the line was said by someone you shouldn't want to to emulate. But @Reena gave the best answer really, a class like that would be the way to do it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Psychonautica Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 43 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: I don't see it about winning or losing. I wouldn't want to beat up anyone for real. The point I am making has nothing to do with winning or whether you want to beat people up. Its specifically about losing 33 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: Would you also say that to a rape victim? Better not to lose complete control in some cases i would imagine. No I would not say that being raped (I can only assume this is what you are talking about) as being beneficial to a rape victim, but I also don't equate being on the losing side of a fist fight with being raped. So while I get you were extrapolating the "loss of control" part into an extreme, its such an extreme that it changes the scope of the conversation. Quote Mention My YouTube channel - Adeptus Psychonautica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I mean, how much can you know about yourself if you've never made a Sofies choice? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 @WhiteOwlactually between this and your other recent thread, you may consider visiting a dominatrix. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Perhaps the ‘fight’ is already underway and is with knowing. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, Phil said: Perhaps the ‘fight’ is already underway and is with knowing. I mean, that's the actual meaning of the movie, so, yeah. The fighting is a metaphor. Oye.... Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 I think you made it a bit extreme, and not something i would imagine people in general neccesarily would benefi from. In the same way rape doesn't. 1 hour ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said: I'm talking about getting absolutely twatted here. 1 hour ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said: lying in a pool of his own blood Anyways thanks for sharing your viewpoint. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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