Robed Mystic Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Phil said: It is though. You and every moderator there will inevitably realize what’s going on and either leave or be asked to leave for pointing it out / speaking the truth (so to speak lol), just like every other moderator there has. I have directly realized everything I speak about on that forum. How about you do you, and stop worrying about me Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: I have directly realized everything I speak about on that forum. How about you do you, and stop worrying about me Clearly that is not the case. Worry’s an emotion & there is no you. The misinformation you’re parroting feels off (directly) because it is very off. It’s never too late to start listening to the guidance. 🙏🏻🤍 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: I shall bestow upon you one of my favorite quotes from J.R.R. Tolkien. He says in his Lord of the Rings trilogy the following: "All that is gold does not glitter. .... Is that the only book you've read? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: I have directly realized everything I speak about on that forum. How about you do you, and stop worrying about me Lmao nobody's buying that for a dollar. Not even leo! Your boy! Edited April 5, 2023 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 10 hours ago, DMT Elf said: All of that is technically correct, but I don't think it negates what I've said. How do you know when you have an epiphany or a great new idea? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 @Robed Mystic If it's everything you want, support, and feel totally fulfilled with, why are you over here? What do you really want? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Robed Mystic said: Rephrase. Lol what? "Let's rephrase the allegory so that the original point is completely lost and the entire meaning changes." The you who has genes was the chimpanzee in the allegory. Edited April 5, 2023 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) Some people are still on the fence if they're a human or not on some level. My suggestion is if you want to deny being a human and/or having a body, you don't get to make arguments based on genetics and/or biology. To do so would be like having your cake and eating it too, which doesn't pass a smell or laugh test let alone a rational test. Using Ockam's Razor the more likely reason for the genetics claim is a desperate attempt to say "I'm more enlightened than you are". No one is more enlightened than you. No one can be enlightened for you either. It's about waking up to what and how you already are -- not feeling like you need to transform into something you're not. I like to say I'm a human, Divine, and neither. I am whatever is, however I want to classify it. That doesn't mean I own you. I allow things to have separate existence from me. I don't think everything is me, that's another trap. Paradoxically, I both am all that's here and also just a very small piece of what's been here. You can do this: everything is me, I'm a finite blip in space and time, and neither! It's important to be able to pick language and concepts up without taking them so seriously. My suggestion would be if you're really not getting real embodiment from doing spiritual enlightenment work -- get off the Internet and start over. A lot of this stuff is just misleading you and not really helping you unless it is. Also, if you haven't met someone in person or talked with them a bunch on the phone, you don't know how spiritually enlightened they really are in terms of embodiment. I talked to someone for 4 hours on the phone last night and we only touched the tip of the iceberg of getting to know each other. Dude is pretty woke though imo. There's something to be said for burning your spiritual ego down and starting over on the path. That spiritual ego is a trap. Even in someone who is pretty developed, spiritual ego is often functioning as a trap. If you want to become spiritually enlightened, don't make your life about being spiritually enlightened ironically. It needs a gentle space to emerge. It's like a set of finger cuffs -- the only way you get them off is a gentle touch. If you try to force them off they don't come off. I got this finger cuffs anecdote from Emerald from the Diamond Net. That's a keen insight! And this finger cuffs anecdote really applies to Leo Gura who really tried to brute force spiritual enlightenment on himself. It doesn't come that way. You can't brute force spiritual enlightenment on yourself or anyone else. All you're gonna get there is a massive spiritual ego with corresponding ideology and feeling of superiority. But you will not attain what you wanted which is embodiment, a flexible intellect, and a release of inner suffering. Edited April 5, 2023 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 @DMT Elf If you are blowing smoke up your ass, what's the worst that could happen? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mandy said: @DMT Elf If you are blowing smoke up your ass, what's the worst that could happen? It eventually comes out your mouth? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Jonas Long said: Lmao nobody's buying that for a dollar. Not even leo! Your boy! This was well before Leo has the same realization. I cam find the video where he talks about just having it and it is far after the date of this conversation. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: This was well before Leo has the same realization. I cam find the video where he talks about just having it and it is far after the date of this conversation. Idk what this is supposed to prove. I've heard lots of people say things like this. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Just now, Jonas Long said: Idk what this is supposed to prove. I've heard lots of people say things like this. Not trying to prove anything, just pointing out that I had never heard anyone talk about it on the forum back at that time. After i had this awakening, about a month later Leo says he has the same...and then off we go...he started talking about..coincidentally . So for the guys saying that I parrotted it just isn't true. I'd never even really knew anything about solipsism at that time..I was coming in fresh and just doing meditation during that time and self inquiring. My head wasn't filled with a bunch of beliefs or dogma. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: Probably ruin my entire life and make me regret not killing myself. I suspect that the complete worst is you might feel euphoria and maybe feel so good about yourself you feel like wearing this t-shirt out in public. https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Unicorn-Castle-T-Shirt-Purple/dp/B0037TPECA/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3C2E25AAN56ZN&keywords=mountain+t+shirt+unicorn&qid=1680712884&sprefix=mountain+t+shirt+unicorn%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-2 You're... creating it. There's no objective reality. There isn't even a subject, a you that can fuck it up. It's the best of both worlds. *PHEW* Woke up from that dream, thank god. What's for breakfast? There is feeling guidance though so doubling down on suffering in order to "get it right" or "avoid worse" is IMMEDIATELY known not be on the right track because... suffering. Does this not get to the heart of what the fear of blowing smoke up your ass is about? Don't put up with that shit. Let yourself be vulnerable. BTW, if ever you're experiencing suicidal thoughts PLEASE call a hotline immediately and don't mess around on the forum. It's now. It's only now. It's ever now. You cannot "ruin the rest of your life". Might appear like people do that, but they don't. There's only now. There's only the thought focused on now that's discordant. The thought "the rest of my life might suck" is a microcosm, beyond a microcosm because ALL the suffering thought to exist in the future is entirely present in the believing of that. one. thought. Feel the guidance and your inherent liberation at being able to drop that one thought, or choose on that feels a little bit better. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: Probably ruin my entire life and make me regret not killing myself. I often think about how not killing myself just means that everything I do or make now, even if it's not great, is better than the nothing I would have done had i done it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: Not trying to prove anything, just pointing out that I had never heard anyone talk about it on the forum back at that time. After i had this awakening, about a month later Leo says he has the same...and then off we go...he started talking about..coincidentally . So for the guys saying that I parrotted it just isn't true. I'd never even really knew anything about solipsism at that time..I was coming in fresh and just doing meditation during that time and self inquiring. My head wasn't filled with a bunch of beliefs or dogma. "My perspective" and "gods perspective" is just another delusional duality. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Devin said: What's a non-delusional duality? *Technically non-duality is delusional by the way, different perspective being non-delusional. All duality is delusional Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 delusion = suffering, resistance, repression, taking things personally, striving to become worthy of love forgetting that one already is unconditional love fantasy, magic, day dreaming, imagining, conscious creation, unicorns and rainbows all still on the table. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Devin said: That's delusional coming from a person talking to other people on the internet, just sayin'. No, that's just what's apparently happening here Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Devin said: Isn't "delusional" a duality? Yes, and vice versa Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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