Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Devin said: True, which shows he's not a master to anyone with eyes You don't think most of his followers see him that way? Dude. Idk why I keep responding to you. I don't see how you even make that deduction from this...the implications would be then, there are no masters....but he doesn't clearly say this, and a lot of people look at him like the next fuxking messiah. He calls himself god! Edited September 19, 2022 by Lester Retsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Devin said: Mental health disorders is different than life fulfillment. If you're not functioning well in society you are to figure that out first before the path, you should have a stable life before the path Great. Only nobody heads this. And it's obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Leo's just a dude with some issues, we all got our hangups, good luck to him. I've poured enough gas into this fire, I'm out 🙏. ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Devin said: So, in your pedophile argument the hurt adult was responsible for their choice, are Leo's adult followers not responsible for theirs Yes. They are. My point was things with adults are COMPLEX with lots of factors. In the case of pedophilia, it is very simply ALWAYS harmful and NEVER love. The issues with actualized.org and it's followers are complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: So then why does Leo need to bear the responsibility for the outcome of the relationship? It was consenting adults and he acted in good faith, he's a flawed human being as you've stated time and time again. He has voluntarily assumed the position of the teacher/leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Devin said: So then why does Leo need to bear the responsibility for the outcome of the relationship? It was consenting adults and he acted in good faith, he's a flawed human being as you've stated time and time again. He IS responsible, karmically imo, whether he acknowledges it or not, when you take on the role of spiritual teacher, you do assume responsibility to a degree to those who out their faith in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: Because he believes he should Hence he is responsible. That's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: They volunteered as student Yes, it goes both ways, but he assumed the superior position, like a parent, the person in that position will always be primarily responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: In a serious adult relationship do you not put faith in each other? To not hurt each other? Totally different dynamic from the spiritual teacher/student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: So men are usually the leader in an adult relationship, do they then bear the responsibility No, that's just a societal belief in some cases, in truth they have equal responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: I hope you see you're grasping at straws Here, if you really want to know my pov on this, i.made a video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Devin said: I hope you see you're grasping at straws I am actually trying to be extremely patient by humoring you still, and I'm almost at the very end of my patience. I am not grasping at straws I am just telling you how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: And your spiritual teacher karma is not a similar societal belief? It's more like an immutable universal law above society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Devin said: I hope you see you're grasping at straws I hope you see you are pretty fucking annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Devin said: K. My POV, no one enlightened would be a teacher, you would never know about their spirituality. The only teachers there will ever be are flawed and fuked up, that's one of the important lessons I learned from leo, not the saying of that, but the explaining of it. You didn't even have time to watch my whole video. Anyway, so thats a belief of yours now. Great. Has nothing to do with whether it's true or not, and if that's your big takeaway from leo, idk, I feel like it's not much Edited September 19, 2022 by Lester Retsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: Man, we all have responsibility for ourselves, you can't live farming that out, that's not living, spiritual teachers give you something they're thinking about, you still must think for yourself. If it was regulated then in your logic the regulators would be responsible, and then who regulates the regulators, ....!!!!! It's life, you're not promised or entitled anything. Whoever takes responsibility takes responsibility, that's all. I don't mean to say nobody should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Devin said: You're the only one responsible for the teachings you consume. You're doing what you're fighting. You're essentially saying you should be able to blindly trust teachers, which is what causes the Manson murders, ..... You are also responsible for what you put out, as a teacher. That is where everything originates afterall. Words have power, you need to understand the power your words have. Responsibility goes both ways, but since the teacher speaks first, they hold primary responsibility Edited September 19, 2022 by Lester Retsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Devin said: You're the only one responsible for the teachings you consume. You're doing what you're fighting. You're essentially saying you should be able to blindly trust teachers, which is what causes the Manson murders, ..... Why do you think Jesus had to die for people sins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Devin said: You're promoting what you hate, indirectly. Be careful of the karma from what you're teaching there I don't hate. I see a problem so I'm talking talking about it. People have thanked me for helping them decide to stop following leo. I don't wish him ill. Or his followers. If I did I'd just let it continue and not interfere. I hope they all decide to course-correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Devin said: The hate im referring to is yours for people being fooled by false teachers No I don't hate them either. I never said or implied that remotely, that was your contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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