Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Devin right, abuse begets abuse, not love, confusing abuse for love doesn't make it love. The hoops you need to jump through to give leo the benefit of the doubt here is ludicrous. Maybe, JUST maybe, he's actually fucked up and has been jumping through hoops himself to maintain the belief that this abuser loved him and that he was actually special to him, not just a vulnerable body to use. Then he'd have to deal with that. An underage person cannot give consent to an an adult, it is abuse 100% of the time, and leo is leaving room for there to be exceptiona to this...there aren't. He seems to be saying sometimes it can even benefit the child...like it did him. And then he's also saying SOMETIMES it can cause trauma and so that's why it shouldn't be accepted. Let's break it down, what are some of the implications of being molested at that age; you have to keep it a secret, from everyone, including your parents and all other adults in your life. That alone is huge and inescapable. You have to come to terms with allowing something to be do to you that you don't want, from someone probably look up to and admire. Love comes at a price. Just those 2 things have massive lifelong reverberations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Devin yeah, maybe if you're radically open minded enough leo has a point about pedophilia being love... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Devin said: No, he's not saying the molestation was love or good for him, you're mixing things, he had a relationship with the guy outside of the sexual abuse. He was about 14 too, which is really odd to me Omg he said "pedophilia IS love" and "it was a net positive" experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Devin you really want to stay on the leo train huh he's got his hooks in deep. So crazy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Devin imagine, before you were ever aware of leo,, someone telling you someday you would be scrambling to defend the statement "pedophilia is love" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) @DMT Elf no, where is that? He kicked me off the forum, so, nice he has a safe space to talk about me where I can't respond Edited September 17, 2022 by Lester Retsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 Lol.he said he put off dating for so long because his life purpose didn't include chasing girls...seems like he played enough video games during that time, but talking to girls was.a waste of time. So instead of doing it naturally at a normal social age for free his life purpose included paying 1000s of $ to learn sexist predatory tactics in his late 20s and now all of his experience consists of what he learned from.doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf oh yeah, MY sneaky mind...I had old creeps I thought were kind and that I looked up to come on to me as well when I was young and i shut them the fuck down. I also started being sexually active at 14 and never dropped tons of money to learn how to. The fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf yup, well I'll stay fucked and in the dark then cause i DONT WANT to live in a world where that dude is the embodiment of ultimate awakening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf now he's all like saying there was no trauma or need to tell anyone he just thought it was an interesting story and doesn't see why ppl are making a big deal of it. This alone shows clear as day that he does not understand people, perhaps he is autistic, as I have speculated before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Whew, I'm happy that I got out that forum and ideology. "No world, no humans, no biases, no pedophilia" feels way better. ❤️ There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) I do agree with Leo in that open-mindedness is a great quality and closed-off judgement of people and their feelings and desires isn't very wise or productive. Though that blog post seems to be really more about the usual ideology of humans with biases and being better or lesser. "If you can't accept this controversial thing you're not there (worthy) yet, like I am" kinda deal. Brings in mind that song Phil mentioned a while back, Red Lines by Geordie Kieffer. Edited September 17, 2022 by Blessed2 There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf nobody I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf unfortunately that's very possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) @DMT Elf his remaining supporters remind me of trump supporters at this point, literally nothing he says or does will get then to rethink their allegiance. No amount of contradictions or unproven claims, no amount of crazy is too crazy after what they've already bought into. The irony is that he, like his abuser, has "groomed" them over time to "radically accept" whatever the fuck he says is the truth. Edited September 17, 2022 by Lester Retsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @DMT Elf then again if they do that just might be the thing that finally ruins him, because if normal people were to do the things he did to "get enlightened" -self isolate and do massive amounts of psychedelics- they will likely lose their shit for real for real. But I'd like to see it not come to that honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Blessed2 said: I do agree with Leo in that open-mindedness is a great quality and closed-off judgement of people and their feelings and desires isn't very wise or productive. Though that blog post seems to be really more about the usual ideology of humans with biases and being better or lesser. "If you can't accept this controversial thing you're not there (worthy) yet, like I am" kinda deal. Brings in mind that song Phil mentioned a while back, Red Lines by Geordie Kieffer. But he is clearly not unbiased and open minded across the board- so he can accept that pedophilia is love, but not that a women take responsibility for who they have sex with, or that a woman's value can increase with age as well as a man's, or that if a woman doesn't get "the right kind of love" it's her fault, or that "hot women" face am equal amount of challenges in life don't coast by on what is given to them for free their whole lives-all things he has said recently(post "awakening") he gives pedophiles more credit than women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 All pedophiles are unique snow flakes and we shouldn't make sweeping judgments about them across the board... WOMEN on the other hand, sweeping and belittling statements CONSTANTLY apply...fuck sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: WOMEN on the other hand, sweeping and belittling statements CONSTANTLY apply...fuck sake You're a thought. Do you think a thought is going to occupy 'no thought'. The 'changeless' can be realized only when the ever-changing thought-flow stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Faith wish I'd made that point more explicit in the video I did since he actually watched it...seems like that was totally lost on him though. Can I be done with this? Have I said enough? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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