Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 He just dropped it casually on is blog on 9/15, the subject line "pedophilia is love" he was groomed at molested at 14 and claims the guy who did it truly loved him and it was a purely positive thing that led leo to God eventually. Holly. Shit. There are so many implications here that I needed to bring it here and encourage anyone to help unpack this. First off, him dropping it now so suddenly and casually is a classic sign of repression. Now so much of his sketchy sexism and views that's its totally fine to tale advantage of women under the influence and everything makes so much sense. Thoughts??? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 @Lester Retsel he is just your imagination. There is no leo, just thought. Don't waste your time with this stuff. 11 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: Thoughts??? Leo is a thought itself 😂😂😂 Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 @James123 yeah I was kinda worried bringing this here would be fucking useless... was trying to give this forum another shot, but, every time I come here I soon regret it... Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 @Lester Retsel the thing is you share this post on the title of "Path". I just answered according to title or for your "Path". Don't offense. If it seems like I putted you down, I am sorry about that. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 @James123 I don't know where the best place to post it would be...I just figure a lot of people here are familiar with leo. I'm not offended just fucking annoyed by immediately being responded to by semantics in the guise of nonduality.... Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said: by semantics in the guise of nonduality.... Just the Truth. If you have an expectation, yes it does annoys. Peace!! Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 @James123 honestly you basically did was I was expecting I just had hoped for better...it's a serious issue ya know Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 @Lester Retsel yea that's a tough thing to go through, much compassion for his situation, he's hurting so much but he denies it. I think he's in denial, just repeating that it's all love in order to spiritually bypass the traumas he's been through. He's definitely unraveling and it's crazy to see how many hoops his forum members will jump through to convince themselves that Leo's a good spiritual teacher. Nothing wrong with having shit to resolve, but when you frame yourself as some spiritual teacher when you still have all these things going on, i think that's dishonest and harmful in the long run. Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of St. Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 @Orb exactly. Exact same thing happened(along with lots of other traumas) to Charles Manson. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 Internalized trauma could even account for his mysterious health condition... to say nothing of his general pompous overcompensating personality. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 "Stop being stupid, pedophilia is love" I've noticed every time he refers to people being stupid he is talking to himself, he is still convincing himself that this predator actually loved him. Therefore his own sexual misconduct is "love". He was groomed and STILL believes what he was groomed to believe by then pedophile, who was "different from other pedophiles" this is an INSANE revelation. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 I’m still working on forming an opinion. Here’s one thought that came to mind: I would be willing to bet that most spiritual teachers have no earthly idea what it’s like to truly suffer. I bet if they knew for a second how fucked up it gets for some people, their “spiritual persona” would be out the window as quick as you can blink. I bet this is the case for 95%+ of spiritual teachers. I’ll let the reader figure out what my point is… I don’t really feel like elaborating. Quote Mention 😉Let It Go!😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 @DMT Elf I think it's the opposite, when we see some 30-40+ year old person whos now a spiritual teacher, we have no idea what they went through during the previous decades. when we see eckhart tolle now hes an old man, imagine how fucked up he was mentally in his 20s, by fucked up I mean like neurotic and traumas and stuff. Quote Mention "I shall give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has never entered into the human heart. "-Jesus (Gospel of St. Thomas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 @Orb That’s true. Eckhart Tolle was on the brink of suicide. So was I before I had my first mystical experience nearly a year ago. (Never told anybody that before) Let’s talk about the true unfathomable depths of hell though. Like being groomed and molested at 14 and not being able to tell anybody about it. I can’t even imagine... And other people experience way more fucked up shit than that. How many spiritual teachers do you honestly think experientially understand the true depths of suffering? I could go on and bring up stuff we’re mostly disconnected from in first world counties like child labor and sex slavery. War, torture, rape, murder… You get the idea. I’m sure Rupert Spira and Eckhart Tolle have intimate experience with all of it. Or maybe not. Quote Mention 😉Let It Go!😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 Pedophilia is NOT love. It is not love of children. It is abuse of children, it is a product of abuse that results in more abuse. Leo says this should absolute destroy any last shred of credibility he had for anyone. He still defends his abuser. That means unprocessed trauma. Everything he teaches is informed by a baseline of unprocessed trauma. This is what I've been saying forever and this proves it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 "OF COURSE pedophilia is love." Leo Gura 🤦♀️ He's lost it! Quote Mention You're a thought. Do you think a thought is going to occupy 'no thought'. The 'changeless' can be realized only when the ever-changing thought-flow stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Faith I officially have no more sympathy for anyone who continues to support him Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) How could it be love? Sex pretty much has nothing to do with love. This is scary, I really admire Leo. Does he mean the pedophile is trying to love themselves? Seeing their victim as themselves? I don't see an angle Edited September 17, 2022 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/20517-unfortunate-logo-for-actualizedorg/ Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 @Devin Definitely take everything he says with a massive grain of salt. I admire Leo too, but my interest in Actualized.org has drifted away from seeking help and gone more towards sheer fascination. Quote Mention 😉Let It Go!😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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