Yall..LEO GURA WAS MOLESTED!!??

[Jonas Long]

He just dropped it casually on is blog on 9/15, the subject line "pedophilia is love" he was groomed at molested at 14 and claims the guy who did it truly loved him and it was a purely positive thing that led leo to God eventually.  Holly. Shit.  There are so many implications here that I needed to bring it here and encourage anyone to help unpack this.  First off, him dropping it now so suddenly and casually is a classic sign of repression.  Now so much of his sketchy sexism and views that's its totally fine to tale advantage of women under the influence and everything makes so much sense.  Thoughts???

[James123]

@Lester Retsel  he is just your imagination. There is no leo, just thought. Don't waste your time with this stuff.

11 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said:

Thoughts???

Leo is a thought itself 😂😂😂

[Jonas Long]

@James123 yeah I was kinda worried bringing this here would be fucking useless... was trying to give this forum another shot, but, every time I come here I soon regret it...

[James123]

@Lester Retsel the thing is you share this post on the title of "Path". I just answered according to title or for your "Path".  Don't offense. If it seems like I putted you down, I am sorry about that. 

[Jonas Long]

@James123 I don't know where the best place to post it would be...I just figure a lot of people here are familiar with leo.  I'm not offended just fucking annoyed by immediately being responded to by semantics in the guise of nonduality....

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said:

by semantics in the guise of nonduality....

Just the Truth. If you have an expectation, yes it does annoys. Peace!!

[Jonas Long]

@James123 honestly you basically did was I was expecting I just had hoped for better...it's a serious issue ya know

[Orb]

@Lester Retsel yea that's a tough thing to go through, much compassion for his situation, he's hurting so much but he denies it. 

 

I think he's in denial, just repeating that it's all love in order to spiritually bypass the traumas he's been through. 

 

He's definitely unraveling and it's crazy to see how many hoops his forum members will jump through to convince themselves that Leo's a good spiritual teacher. 

 

Nothing wrong with having shit to resolve, but when you frame yourself as some spiritual teacher when you still have all these things going on, i think that's dishonest and harmful in the long run.

[Jonas Long]

@Orb exactly.   Exact same thing happened(along with lots of other traumas) to Charles Manson.  

[Jonas Long]

Internalized trauma could even account for his mysterious health condition... to say nothing of his general pompous overcompensating personality.   

[Jonas Long]

"Stop being stupid, pedophilia is love" I've noticed every time he refers to people being stupid he is talking to himself, he is still convincing himself that this predator actually loved him.  Therefore his own sexual misconduct is "love".  He was groomed and STILL believes what he was groomed to believe by then pedophile, who was "different from other pedophiles"  this is an INSANE revelation.

[DMT Elf]

I’m still working on forming an opinion. 

 

Here’s one thought that came to mind: I would be willing to bet that most spiritual teachers have no earthly idea what it’s like to truly suffer. I bet if they knew for a second how fucked up it gets for some people, their “spiritual persona” would be out the window as quick as you can blink. I bet this is the case for 95%+ of spiritual teachers. 
 

I’ll let the reader figure out what my point is… I don’t really feel like elaborating.

[Orb]

@DMT Elf I think it's the opposite, when we see some 30-40+ year old person whos now a spiritual teacher, we have no idea what they went through during the previous decades. 

 

when we see eckhart tolle now hes an old man, imagine how fucked up he was mentally in his 20s, by fucked up I mean like neurotic and traumas and stuff.

[DMT Elf]

@Orb That’s true. Eckhart Tolle was on the brink of suicide. So was I before I had my first mystical experience nearly a year ago. (Never told anybody that before)
Let’s talk about the true unfathomable depths of hell though. Like being groomed and molested at 14 and not being able to tell anybody about it. I can’t even imagine... And other people experience way more fucked up shit than that. How many spiritual teachers do you honestly think experientially understand the true depths of suffering? I could go on and bring up stuff we’re mostly disconnected from in first world counties like child labor and sex slavery. War, torture, rape, murder… You get the idea. I’m sure Rupert Spira and Eckhart Tolle have intimate experience with all of it. Or maybe not.

[Jonas Long]

Pedophilia is NOT love.  It is not love of children.  It is abuse of children, it is a product of abuse that results in more abuse.  Leo says this should absolute destroy any last shred of credibility he had for anyone.  He still defends his abuser.  That means unprocessed trauma.  Everything he teaches is informed by a baseline of unprocessed trauma.  This is what I've been saying forever and this proves it.

[Faith]

"OF COURSE pedophilia is love."

Leo Gura

 

🤦‍♀️ He's lost it!

 

[Jonas Long]

@Faith I officially have no more sympathy for anyone who continues to support him

[DMT Elf]

@Devin Definitely take everything he says with a massive grain of salt. I admire Leo too, but my interest in Actualized.org has drifted away from seeking help and gone more towards sheer fascination.

[DMT Elf]

13 minutes ago, Devin said:

I don't follow anyone as a teacher, I think he's done amazing and powerful work

👍

He is interesting to listen to.

[Adeptus Psychonautica]

Its worth considering the possibility that the guy who has a well established history of spouting delusional fantasy bullshit to suit his narrative agenda, might also in this instance be spouting delusional fantasy bullshit to suit his narrative agenda.