Blessed2 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) "I" is just the thought "I". It seems like the thought is about me or that the thought "I" is me because that's what the thought implies/creates. But it's not me. It's just the thought "I". So self cannot get out of self. It's like a closed system. And 'within' that thought "I", everything is about I. Like tinted glasses that paints all red. An entire universe is created within that thought "I". And so you can't get out of it because you're never in it. It's just innocently picked up at some point and then it overrides everything. Like a brain-parasite that takes hold of you by appearing as if it's you. Edited March 6 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) The no-self stuff is a self-created problem. A self-created bondage in trying to excise the I from the self. It's an obsession that just leads to more obsessing. I would move on to some other obsession. You're going to spend your whole life obsessing about no-self. I think we've done this enough most of us on here. I would get whatever you need to learn there and move on. There's a lot more to do in life that is actually important. Apply the teachings you already have grokked. No need to keep talking about it -- because that becomes what you're doing, talking about being bound by the I. Well, yeah! It's got you. There has to be some movement out of that halting stage at some point where you can chop wood and carry water. Edited March 6 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Yes. 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: "I" is just the thought "I". It seems like the thought is about me or that the thought "I" is me because that's what the thought implies/creates. Implies yes, yet not creates, sans perhaps ‘creates’ an experience of a self referential belief loop, which is essentially not-creating, as the “I” (believed) is the misidentification which is the obscuring of creator-creating-creation. Obscures as in is the ‘getting in the way’ or preferences manifesting. 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: But it's not me. It's just the thought "I". So self cannot get out of self. It's like a closed system. It’s exactly a closed system. A self referential loop. (There is no self inside of any thing at all.) ”The kingdom is within”. Wild how it totally seems like you’re in it though isn’t it? Truly, how amazing are you!? 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: And 'within' that thought "I", everything is about I. Oh God yes, everything is about the me. Without one there isn’t the other; not two. 🙂 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Like tinted glasses that paints all red. An entire universe is created within that thought "I". Yes! 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: And so you can't get out of it because you're never in it. Yes! 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: It's just innocently picked up at some point and then it overrides everything. Like a brain-parasite that takes hold of you by appearing as if it's you. Of course I’m a self absorbed semantical emotionally retared neo-advaitan nondualist teacher stuck in tier 1, but even it’s innocently picked up is saying too much about an I and innocence. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: The no-self stuff is a self-created problem. A self-created bondage in trying to excise the I from the self. It's an obsession that just leads to more obsessing. I would move on to some other obsession. No self no problem. @Blessed2 Amazing how “the universe” shows “you” so readily, clearly and immediately, isn’t it!? Ever-present immediate and most intimate aliveness. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: The no-self stuff is a self-created problem. Hmmmm, sounds like a problem that solves itself. Or "doesn't exist" even lol Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 hours ago, Blessed2 said: "I" is just the thought "I". It seems like the thought is about me or that the thought "I" is me because that's what the thought implies/creates. But it's not me. It's just the thought "I". So self cannot get out of self. It's like a closed system. And 'within' that thought "I", everything is about I. Like tinted glasses that paints all red. An entire universe is created within that thought "I". And so you can't get out of it because you're never in it. It's just innocently picked up at some point and then it overrides everything. Like a brain-parasite that takes hold of you by appearing as if it's you. 7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: I would move on to some other obsession. Too funny! Much love!!! Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: You're going to spend your whole life obsessing about no-self. I think we've done this enough most of us on here. No self, no obsession lol Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: The self stuff is a self-created problem. Again, so close. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: You're going to spend your whole life obsessing about self. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 @Phil 🙏🙏 That this is so funny is also so mind-blowing. Cause the why it's funny seems to be just total mystery. It's like laughter just appears outta nowhere. 😂 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Yes!!! Nothing’s hysterical! Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 You aside lol… the meditation, the inspecting & questioning, the feeling as it were, the sobriety - good for you. 🙏🏼♥️ Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 26 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: The no-self stuff Honestly, the only place I've ever heard about "no-self" (that term) is Actualized.org. It's interesting why the message is turned into a such concept. I wonder if it's used anywhere else. In buddhism maybe? There's a different flavor to "no-self" vs. "there is no you" imo. It might be coming from the belief that there is facets or things to awaken to, or that there are teachers teaching teachings. "No-self" being a specific facet, realization or teaching. Like some concept to learn or teach. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Guys, nose elf is bullshit. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) It's like someone who can't begin to drive a car because they're so obsessed about whether the steering wheel exists or not. That is a kind of bondage. It's a weird bondage indeed. Edited March 6 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Phil said: You aside lol… the meditation, the inspecting & questioning, the feeling as it were, the sobriety - good for you. 🙏🏼♥️ 🙏🙏 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: It's like someone who can't begin to drive a car because they're so obsessed about whether the steering wheel exists or not. That is a kind of bondage. It's a weird bondage indeed. You are the wheel. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 40 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Guys, nose elf is bullshit. Pinocchio Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 54 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: You are the wheel. 🎤 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 hours ago, Phil said: Yes!!! Nothing’s hysterical! Omg!! That just killed me lol Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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