James123 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/6/2024 at 2:54 PM, Blessed2 said: "I" is just the thought "I". It seems like the thought is about me or that the thought "I" is me because that's what the thought implies/creates. But it's not me. It's just the thought "I". So self cannot get out of self. It's like a closed system. And 'within' that thought "I", everything is about I. Like tinted glasses that paints all red. An entire universe is created within that thought "I". And so you can't get out of it because you're never in it. It's just innocently picked up at some point and then it overrides everything. Like a brain-parasite that takes hold of you by appearing as if it's you. I=universe. An attachment with one thought brings back entire duality. Sit, lay back and just watch the show. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 (edited) How could a seeker find? A seeker will never find, because it is a seeker, not a finder. Edited March 18 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 (edited) "You see duality because you're looking from duality." You see what's not there because you're looking as what's not there. And you can not not see duality while looking from duality. A closed system! And therein it's not me. You can't get out cause you were never in. Edited March 20 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/9/2024 at 11:18 AM, Someone here said: @Phil how can you refer to yourself as I while claiming there is no self ? Simple innocent question. No need for warning. There is no second or separate self. That there is a separate self ‘here’, referring to ‘itself’… is actually the direct assumption “I am a separate finite self”, “and so there are other separate finite selves”. Put another way, the separate or second self is not actually a self, but is thoughts about a separate or second self, believed / identified with. Just like unicorn; “it” is just a thought, not a thing or an entity. The truth, that there is no second or separate self, recontextualized as “a no self teaching”, is conjecture, which is from the illusory perspective of / as, a separate self, and is indicative of suppressed emotion, which is indicative of suppressed trauma. It’s the so called finite mind’s attempt to ‘make sense’ of the suppression. Same as “neo-advaita”, the “new no second or separate self”. There’s nothing “new”, it’s literally just more appearing thoughts, believed, and deflection & projection. “Neo-advaita” is a conceptualization of Advaita (not two; no second-ness, no second or separate self). The conceptualization is inclusion of an illusory separate self, and is denial, the believing of thoughts to the contrary, of the truth of, of no (separate / second self), or more simply put, nonduality. “New not two” & “no self teaching” are conceptualizations on behalf of an illusory second or separate self - the knower, or, understander, which Truth (consciousness, love, reality) obliterates. That there is a second or separate self, and or neo advaita, is just as delusional as being a unicorn. The so called body identified with is in actuality a world-sphere. The so called finite mind identified by, is in actuality a lens-sphere. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/9/2024 at 2:27 AM, Blessed2 said: It's heartbreaking how many of us believe those thoughts. It's miserable to be swept in those thoughts. Though not really heartbreaking, since there is no time and hence no-one is believing those thoughts and being swept anywhere. These two statements appear to contradict. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 21 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: These two statements appear to contradict. Illusions appear to contradict reality. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 28 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: These two statements appear to contradict. Yeah, they are two contradictory statements. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 The self-referential thought "system" filters everything through it's closed logic, and puts everything it encounters to it's own context. Like for example, the message of non-duality. It's filtered through and instantly (and probably inevitably) put in context of time. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Blessed2 said: The self-referential thought "system" filters everything through it's closed logic, and puts everything it encounters to it's own context. Like for example, the message of non-duality. It's filtered through and instantly (and probably inevitably) put in context of time. If time doesn't exist why do we need clocks? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: If time doesn't exist why do we need clocks? Did I say that time doesn't exist? And do we really need clocks? How did we survive before clocks were invented? Only what's not really there can dwell in what's not really there. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 23 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: Did I say that time doesn't exist? And do we really need clocks? How did we survive before clocks were invented? Only what's not really there can dwell in what's not really there. I thought one of the Neo-Advaita beliefs is that time doesn't exist. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: I thought one of the Neo-Advaita beliefs is that time doesn't exist. Nobody here is talking about Neo-Advaita besides you. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Nobody here is talking about Neo-Advaita besides you. Replace Neo-Advaita with Nonduality then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism Edited March 21 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Replace Neo-Advaita with Nonduality then. Nonduality doesn't hold a belief that time doesn't exist. But nobody is experiencing time. There would have to be a subject to experience it. You can observe time and your "self", the one who experiences them is not what you are. The observer who observes time can not be observed, therefor is not a subject. Edited March 21 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 @Joseph Maynor you're down with ramana Maharshi right? Anything you can call "you" can be known, felt, or named, any thing that can be known, felt or named can not be the knower or seer itself. Thats the gist of it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 26 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: I thought one of the Neo-Advaita beliefs is that time doesn't exist. I'm just sharing whatever cool ideas / inspirations come in mind in this thread. I'm not trying to teach or build any philosophical system here. I don't know if there is time or not, I don't know what non-duality means, I don't know if there is a self-referential thought system. Something just feels good and is fun and I share it here. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said: I thought one of the Neo-Advaita beliefs is that time doesn't exist. Nonduality just means not two. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, Phil said: Nonduality just means not two. But the implications of "not two" is being overlooked it seems. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Being awake isn’t for everyone. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Being awake isn’t for everyone. How dare you, this is defamation. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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