Forza21

Its hard process. I have suicidal thoughts from time to time, and it's been 2 months now. I feel you brother, I'm so glad you did it. ❤️🙏 Forgiveness is one thing. But shouldn't we warn other people who may fall into Leos „teachings”? No more people should suffer because of this. And silence isn't an answer? I don't know. But based on what i see and experience, it's really really dangerous place. And we are not the only one seriously. I talked to a guy( don't want to spoil name) who helps people get throught experience like ours. And now he has many, many, many people from Leo's forum. Really something is very off, and i'm not sure what to do, to save people from that.

I really dont think its The same rhetroic at all. What Phil or anybody here says is totally diffrent. And nobody is forcing you, i know nothing….

it's not easy to grasp it after years cultivating "dualistic" paradigms, but i do my best! So basically "Observe the observer" as you see that even that can be let go off. This requires years of meditation practice, i assume, and it's kinda "high league" .🙂 1) Here mirror exercice was disscusted for those who are intrested. I assume you're suggesting the same thing ? : 2) When asking "Are there other lenses?" are you implying anything different from in your video "Actuality Of Being"? Have anything changed since the recording? "there are no restrictions or limitation as how many worlds or finite minds which can appear in the spheres" is there any diffrenece? I assume there is something like "subtle body" and it all belongs to "person". When you no longer think you are this "separated person" i think you might look different on this topic. I'm open to anything, since i don't know any different i just try to understand it. As i can.

Why not ? I dont get it. 😂 And if i say that infinite mind can dream all The finite minds/perspective at once? Will it be closer to truth? Is it even possible to get what you’re saying without realization? Only on intelectual level?😁

When i have glimpses of "no self" and it goes with peace and bliss, it's clear for me, that it's ALWAYS there, that's what IS, like in front of the nose, nothing is hidden, it couldn't be easier & more obvious. That's the reality. Then i got into a thought loop again, and i "try" to get there. And this "trying" is what keeps me away from that clarity. It's like perfect joke 😄

Great analogy. if blue is ignorant, it will replay " of course there are many". if blue is enlightened, it will replay " no, it's all one." so basically, after death "blue" is "gone", ( from red perspective) but it was never "separated" color, it was always the light 🙂 And for "blue" it's obvious than. The analogy with ocean which can observe itself from infinite perspectives might be valid to? haha trust me, i'm getting over this, it's infinitely better than it was, i simply notice that it feels discordant/let go. + some glimpses of "no-self" are my guidance. 🙂 of course it's still so tempting for mind to get answers... Thank you!

Right, duality. So i am infinite love right now, and after so-called "death" it's still the same... infinite love. So no difference between this "state" if you will, and 'death" - still love, still water, still ocean? There's no actuallity of being born or death. This is tricky, can you elaborate or take some different metaphor? Because i would say yes, there might be infinite numbers of lenses? I imagine it as an ocean observing itself from infinite perspectives? If i said "no" would it imply solipsism? ( it's my second name on this forum, lol xD solipsism guy.) No, there's no separation, and i can't find this "me". Actually i can't find a "knower" , there's no separation of what i see and what's being seen/heard/felt etc. Yes, it's one, so "it" or "that" suggest duality.

i just can't get my head around, what happens when this "finite lens" dies, other "lens stays" you merge into infite love, but what about "other lense" when it's all one? i dunno if it makes any sense 😄

what do you mean?

Great ❤️ it really gives very good feelig and insight ❤️ Thank you! Thank you! Can you tell a little bit more about NDE ? what's that ?

Thank you so much Phil…. ❤️

@Phil @Zeroguy @Loop How after "God realization/experience" you didn't come up to conclusion, that you create your whole reality, alone as God, and everything and everyone is your dream? Sorry for questions, but i'm looking for different perspective than i was sucked into, lol.

D. Hawkings in his book : „ there are some lunatics who really belive they are above Jesus or Budda. Their level of conciosuness belongs to hell roam. They also attract they followers, and sell them ways to find God. So Business Man is higher than Jesus. Keep distance its clear sign of delusion „ he wrote this in his book „david r hawkins i reality and subjectivity”. ( diffrent words i have polish version). i was laughing. 🙉

D. Hawkings in his book : „ there are some lunatics who really belive they are above Jesus or Budda. Their level of conciosuness belongs to hell roam. They also attract they followers, and sell them ways to find God. So Business Man is higher than Jesus. Keep distance its clear sign of delusion „ he wrote this in his book „david r hawkins i reality and subjectivity”. ( diffrent words i have polish version). i was laughing. 🙉

how would you describe realization you are God? Is there any sense of „i”? Do you feel like „its your creation”? Or such words belong to imaginery person ?

How it happened for you?:)

Yes, there might be subjectivity involved in describing truth. That is mentioned in latest TOE episode. Buddhist talks about emptiness. Vedanata, about pure conciosuness. Almost all of them, also about infinite love. I wonder if its just diffrent words, or experience. 🙂

Thank you ❤️❤️ Thank you ❤️ yes, slowly, but steady it's going to the right direction. Thank you for all your support ❤️

What's your definition of God? Is there such thing as "God realization?" In my head, because of years of Christianity indoctrination, i still have this mental image of God as a person. If God is pure consciousness, nothingness, love... God realization would mean, that you become fully selfless. Like waveless existence, all-pervasive and formless, kinda like space. So there's none to get "God realization". There's also none to reincarnate, to be trapped, or whatever. Are those all stories? Imaginary levels of imaginary path?

This I don't get. I would love more people in this place, where you can actually get help. This forum should be at least x10 bigger. 🙂 That's kinda of Leo bullshit rhetoric when he said about "splitting community because they are lazy". Nobody is doing it for attention, it's just for a sake of discussion. And if the forum grows... that will be good.

Yesterday i wouldn't get it. But today i've experienced a boundless ocean of consciousness, and for a brief moment, i've realized, i'm that. All those questions about solipsism, reincarnation, simply doesn't make sense, we are boundless and free already. There's no "I", just a bunch of arising vibrations. No different than leaf falling, or wind blowing.

Thank you so much! ❤️❤️ it's very relaxing, and pure. Good vibration. ❤️

Today happened something i want to share. While in meditation, I've noticed, that sense of body and any boundaries are pure mental. There are no boundaries in reality. It all dissolves in meditation. Even the sens of perceiver which is somewhere behind "eyes" can be dissolved. All sensations in body, such us emotions, tinglings, thoughts, just appears. It's like the constant flow of a river. It never stops. It appears to none, because there's no such thing, which I can call "I". So... Who am I? While I was walking, there was mental masturbation going on "in my head", like " hmm... after I die, will I experience my girlfriend perspective?" , " Will i reincarnate?" And it hit me. What a stupid question! It's like a wave, which wonders, " hmm... will I be this another wave some day?" This life of "Forza" is no different from wind blowing, or leaf falling on the ground. When there's no identification with thoughts, you see a perfect dance of everything which is arising, and I'm that. Sounds. Sensations. Thoughts. Tinglings. Vibrations. It all arises to none, it's a pure ocean of consciousness. Pure "I am". From that point, every question about "experience of other people" or "reincarnation" simply doesn't make sense, and it belongs to dualistic mind. Even question about ''solipsism" which bothers me for a while, doesn't make sense. Because who is this "I' who's alone? Of course, my "ego-mind" makes stories about this experience, but i feel, the practice of being present, and constantly going from thoughts, to whatever's arising, is the key to freedom. I have no idea, if this should be called "insight" or " returning home"... 🙂 Love!

Thank you Tim ❤️ I dont get it quite yet on The experience level, but it makes sense on the intellectual !😁

Are you going to read it ? well, as i said, i think im off Vedanta, at least to The time ill be mentaly stable again. If you find something interesting, ill read it 🙂 what i found is that often Ego means something diffrent. It might be Big Ego = God = which is pure conciousness + maya. Whole creation. So when they say its one ego, its not illusory body-mind-ego, but whole creation. 🙂 Its hard for for us to grasp, because its different culture.