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That is beautyfull. ❤️ Yes, i meant "knowing" or synonymously - conciousness. 🙂 It's ok, it seems i won't ever get it by reading it. While talking with you it's different, you just influence/communicate beyond words with your energy. : -) just found this : https://www.actualityofbeing.com/what-is-co-creation and it resonates, as co-creation... 🙂

Sure 🙂

Knowing off. conciousness.

The same Stuff, reality is made off. Ive seen a lot of rhetorics like that „difficult truth” „noone is man enough to hear it” „you cant accept The truth” etc… please dont go this way. if i feel Discord in what you write, what should i do? Even if Jesus says something that doesnt make me more loving and compasionate i shall not listen to it. And what you say here, doesnt. Or i understand it wrong. maybe its because of words. maybe because of still holding memories from actualize… or something else dont know. Do you love your kids ? how would you feel if someone said to you, „in a name of hard truth you need to accept that your kids doesnt matter and i can do whatever with them…” its exatly like that. What are your kids to you ?

Perfect teaching... Buddha and Jesus comes to mind. Jesus: And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. Buddha: Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little. Gautama Buddha They never used "dream" analogy. Buddha was born in India, as you know, there's Hindu tradition and dream analogy is known, and used for centuries. Somehow, Buddha refused to cling to their tradition, and found his own path. In Buddhism there's only saying about "dreaming-mind" and "clinging to thoughts" not life equal to a nighttime dream. I've seen enough bad things done by this analogy. On actualize there was countless topics like that. For example, one guy, who got caught by dream analogy, was literally abusing his grandmother, as "she is only his dream". There was many topics like that, and 'dream analogy" was always an excuse. Do you really agree with that? This dream analogy is inhumane. It lacks integration aspect. It lacks the relative aspect to the absolute. You can as well treat everyone like shit, because it's only "dream character". It's not close to Jesus or Buddha teachings. The discord with this analogy is giant. Osho also refused to ever use it, because he saw, what this analogy has done to his country - where millions of people die in extreme poverty, and none bothers - it's only a dream. I don't care how accurate it is, i feel giant discord about it, and it's all i care about. if it comes to me, what's the perfect truth - i'd rather be mortal human, living on earth and die, than alone as "God" who can never share anything with anyone, because he's lonely. This truth of yours doesn't resonate with me. Somehow when i talk to Phil on phone it was clear, but when i read the stuff he writes... it brings all shity memories.

so what's the difference between what Leo says and what you say? it's like you are way more loving and caring, but when i read this, it seems all the same. It's like Leo says "you are God" and you say " You are unconditional love (God) and there's no further differences in these teachings... You both say that i create all the world... ( you also mention that there's no "me" but anyway you point back as "you") . You also say that solipsism is just a thought, but in what you say i see really no difference... right now i'm feeling frustrated, angry and sad, i feel like i've thought that i'll find some different teaching here, and it really seems all the same...

So what motivates you to: -write a book ? -take so much time, to help people like me, and many more. on the forum? -do youtube channel? -take care of your relationship? -take care of your kids? For me all "ism" thoughts kills any drive to do anything... why help others when it's only a dream? why do anything when it's only a dream? Pointless, boring, i don't know anymore what's true or not... and that "dream" analogy for me is nihilistic and solipstic all the way. I used to do youtube channel myself, and it was joyful, but now, i don't know who am i talking to anymore... and anserw " you" brings me all "ism" thoughts possible.

Happy anniversary! Congratulation! I also wonder, what makes this one person "special?" in the eyes of non-duality we are all same, equal, and not special anyhow. So why "this wife" this particular person, as family? Also, i wonder what about people living with more than 1 partner? Are we, as humans, able to create intimate relations-ships with more people? Is it moral? Is it worth it? In the nutshell, what's your take on polygamy vs monogamy, (considering non-dual truth vs how society is structured)? I am so curious! 🙂 You are probably the only peson i know, like ever, who is highly realized, and yet with long-time relationship. ❤️ It's soo interesting to know your take on that. Love

I sure heard about it many times, but to be honest, what keeps me from it, is "dream analogy" and i've seen ACIM is full of it. There are also some ACIM fundamentalist who says exactly this "it's only a dream it doesn't matter!" i don't really grasp how it might to set me free 🙂 i might give it a try, i sure see, that it works for you! ❤️

One thing comes to mind - I've never felt this analogy of "dream" . Advaita - Vedanta is full of it, and i really can't see, how when someone when hear "life is nothing but a dream" doesn't come to nihilistic or solipsistic conclusions. I really can't see how it's supposed to be freeing in any way. For example India, where this "dream" narrative is present for hundreds of years, preached by all "mystics" there , and how this country is drowning in misery, and poverty "because it's only a dream... why care about it? Discard it!" Isn't it always two side of the coin? Relative = absolute ? This appearance is everything we really have, isn't it so? I wonder how you exactly see it? For example war at Ukraine, there's no one to suffer, or to battle, but does it mean we should totally dismiss it, because it's only a dream? ( it's really closed to my borders, btw.) I really don't get this analogy. 🙂

Thank you, Phil. It always gets me, and puts a tear in my eye, how much work, time, and devotion it takes for you, to answer that specifically. 🥰 I guess truth cannot be shared by words, language is dualistic in nature. I might give up reading/listening to this stuff and focus just on equanimity/meditation. It's hard, because "spiritual knowledge" gives my this false sense of "security" , but it always backfires anyway, after some time. 🙂 Anyway, thank you so much for everything you do!!!

Yes, and somehow mind always seems to trick me into beliving it… i am doing my best. I medidate a looot, and theres times with great clarity (for example after our talk…❤️ ) but it gets blurry after time, and some „isms” win in the end. And The greater clarity and freedom from ego mind, the harder it comes back… This path is rough. 🥲

In past few weeks, I am really open to feel everything. Every emotion is welcome, fear, anxiety, terror, panic, whatever it is. I've been running, whole my life, from my biggest fear, - fear of loneliness, and it's time to face it. It comes from my childhood ( many events, like for example, the man who were supposed to protect me - my father, once when he was furious, he almost ran over me. Then he left me alone. ) it's difficult to accept that i'm alone. I was born alone. I'm living alone. And i'll die alone. Nothing can ever change that. I'm not possibly talking about solipsism, but the very fact of human nature. I can't possibly "touch" "others", become "one" with them, it's beyond my reach. And it's so frustrating. Even when you love so much, you just can't drown your loneliness. No matter how much you love your wife/kids, it's like always missing something. Like there's still that shadow of loneliness present. And still, there's a giant discord felt. Why loneliness is a such pain, such discord, when it's our true nature? Why "loneliness" isn't in "emotional scale" ? i'm pretty sure this is some different feeling than simply "fear" "anxiety" etc. It's like you have this best thing ever, and you want to share it, and yet, there's no one to help or to give it to. What is the point? I don't want to live just for the sake of myself. It's like having all the wealth in the world, and still being alone on the giant yacht,not being able to share the joy and happiness. I struggle a lot with my relationship. I know @Philsaid that there's only one being present in that - it doesn't make any sense logically, i still can't imagine who i'm actually talking to while facing her. I just can't possibly grasp that. Mind always turns in into "i'm here and she's not there..." There's also a lot of anger. Like : "This fucking path should led me to peace and happiness, and it turns out, that it's only me and my room, no outside world, so fucking great being here, lonely. "| "Life doesn't have any purpose if it's only me" " For what should i work? i used to work to help someone, and now... what's the point?" And honestly, even dream board doesn't make any difference, because with that "perspective" there's literally no point to attain any experience. I could learn to Lucid dream and it's the same. Pointless... if you have something to share, please do 🙂 P.S Phil, would you consider recording video with your wife and talk about how you both "see" it ? There's literally no video like that on YouTube, when a couple talks about non-dual understating in relationship. It would be great. love ❤️

Oh Yes! Its like God doesnt have his own face, apart from milion of faces. ❤️

In experience, you never see your own face. You need to „borrow” your face while looking at „other”. Once you get it, you fell in love with everyone. Its The only face you actually see. Face of someone who’s right infront of you. Make sure that face is happy. Make your loved one’s happy. much love❤️❤️❤️😍

everything everywhere all at once https://m.imdb.com/title/tt6710474/ Check this out. ❤️🙏

Does it resonate for you? I also find this quotes of "dream of God" or "play of God" etc slightly off, as it might imply some duality - God as some kind of "background" of appearance itself. This one puts in quite nicely. What do you guys think? soure: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2015/03/vast-impersonal-intelligence_18.html?fbclid=IwAR0PfOjAuarHxVaWT3NJJoTs6k_MchkejDb74ezDnP8vg0jRGUQGSodHFzw https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2022/06/wrote-to-christian-mystic.html?fbclid=IwAR3X8ZztPfEH0YIpUD5RFgQjBR_YdlJCURDUz88RVbm8DoNkQIhnKWUoyO8 and also 7 stages of Enlightenment http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

I've had a private talk with Phil. He's the most genuine, loving, caring, guy i've ever come across. This talk was amazing. In fact, i have no words to say how good it was. I still don't know what happened. Mind cannot possibly grasp that. Or even recall that. It just can't. All i know is that truth is beautiful. Warm. Cozy. Intimate. One Self is the most loving thing there could possibly be. It's not lonely at all, in fact, it's so full, it's impossible. It's 0 distance apart from everything you ever loved. In fact, it's right here where you are. Words can't touch that. Mind (as activity of the thoughts) can't touch that. Only instinctual knowing can. But Phil really, really transmits truth beyond words and self-imposed limitations. You can feel it with whole body. I can't thank Phil enough for his work and time. It's an amazing human, and transmitter of the truth. Love you all. Love Phil. Love my OwnSelf.

Phil, Will you put recording from zoom meeting ?🥹

Today noon ETC ? @Phil are you in?

Great. How can i join? Is it gonna be on zoom ?

@Someone here is it you, the guy from Leo's forum with "guy fawkes" awatar?:D

i think you might rather give us exact date, and than we can say if we can make it 🙂 im +6h time zone, so your morning works for me.

I understand that. But since there's no thinker of thoughts, and no doer, and i don't feel like i can do anything to "think less". I just sit, and wait, until thoughts naturally settle down. I don't choose if there are many thoughts or no thoughts. But maybe i should go back to retreated, and just wait, until full realization takes place. There's still that sense of struggle with "many thoughts" and clarity. 🙂

I've been to a silent zen retreat lately. And during it, the mind calms down, to the point of no thoughts at all. The sense of peace and clarity is really immense. Meditation is so easy, and "staying in presence" is just a natural state to be. Everything flows on its own accord, and it's obvious, there's no doer and no thinker of thoughts. When i'm back to so-called "normal life" mind gets busy, and it takes many hours of sitting, to get this clarity of no-thoughts. Of course, it's possible, and it's always there. I know that it's always available. But still, it "feels" really different. But why? Since i'm not the mind, it shouldn't really matter if there are many thoughts or no thoughts, right? So what's the difference between thoughtless state vs many thoughts state? What's the difference between "thinking" and "no thinking?" I'm aware of thoughts like "oh i had it, and it's gone now!" "i don't have that clarity anymore" " i've lost this sense of presents" etc. i know it's just another story/thoughts. But still, there's a great difference between amount of thoughts during retreat, and daily life. Like busy-thought-train vs very calm, a few thoughts clouds passing by. And i don't know why and how to approach it.