Robed Mystic

Huh?

I'm talking about the metaphysical stuff. All of that is really good stuff if u wanna wake up. This stuff is not Leo's. Leo was just parroting all of it In a really good way...things like Godels incompleteness theorem, paradox, the self reference problem, the ramifications of Quamtum Mechanics, Absolute Infinity...all of it. He was really good at finding all that was out there and relaying it all. As for the personal development stuff - that is completely separate from awakening. As for originality- well - "What is perception" was one of the better episodes - but that too was discovered thousands of years ago by sages.

Nice share!

All of the teachings are transrational teachings. We don't teach pre-rational. Pre-rational is belief and ideology. Aka religion. We teach actuality. You can actually directly experience God by becoming God . You can directly experience Truth by becoming it. It is not a belief. A rationalist generally dismisses God because it is not rational. They may be atheists or agnostic. A religious person believes in God as a bearded man in the clouds. You must go beyond both rationalism/science, and religion, to actually experience God. Go back to the earliest teachings and work your way up through the metaphysical episodes. One of the big ones is What is God- it talks about the pre-trans fallacy. which is a trap many fall into and was a concept founded by Ken Wilber. A lot of folks mistake the trans-rational with the pre rational.. Or if they are rationalist, just dismiss it altogether.

Rationality should be embraced but it is not the end all be all and ultimately it must be transcended into the transrational. Actualized does not try to demonize rationalism it simply goes beyond it. The problem is you can't get over yourself long enough to realize that. Your ego is about inflated as a helium balloon. So please, spare us the sermons bro.

Thanks. It's also good to see familiar faces like @Faithand @Mandy...hope you two are both doing well too 😀

Good to talk to you again 🙂 i hope all is well 🙂 Of course, and of course no finite words can truly describe the indescribable - but at least we can try to find pointers that will actually guide one to their true nature and not lead them in the wrong direction 🙂

Honestly i think its the other way around - you seem to be taking it personal for some reason. Otherwise why go through this much trouble to defend your position?

I think its important to have a discussion on something like this - because as someone mentioned, he has influence over a lot of people. Its just a discussion on it, no one is demonizing Leo, we're legitamely concerned for his well being and the well being of his followers - at least I am. If someone is here just selflesshly demonizing, then i agree they should keep quiet. Although honestly they don't have to, they can voice their criticism all they want, because he is a public figure in a sense. Forums often become mental masturbation, but that is the nature of the beast when it comes to mankind sitting around a round table 🙂

I told him direclty on his forum.

Because I think he feels some attachment to Leo because perhaps his earlier work helped him to grow. That's just a hunch. Totally understandable. And with this is the normal need to defend. But Devin, sometimes a friend needs tough love rather than enabling love. And here I think Leo needed a wake up call - no pun intended.

What I meant is that Alien consciousness is not enlightenment. Yes, becoming Infinite is beyond human levels of consciousness, but it also beyond any type of alien level of Consciousness..it's God Consciousness and saying it is alien consciousness from the perspective that God is alien to human is fine - but he is saying it is literally an alien Mind. It is just Mind.

Hey guys. I think the biggest issue at least to me is his claim that alien consciousness is true God realization. And that Absolute Infinity is a smoke screen for Alien Infinity. This kind of stuff is going to confuse people and lead his followers astray. And I told him this in his forum. It does seem like he has lost his grip on this reality from an ego's perspective. In other words he is still in ego mind I have tried to make this clear on his forum as well...as another guy said he probably needs am intervention but no one can really snap him out of it now but himself, I fear. I tried to steer folks back towards Peter Ralston. A lot of the older stuff Leo did (black shirt and some white shirt) was on par...but I've seen a slow decline from there. That's just my 2 cents.

It is the opposite of materialism. You do not gain anything from the ego's standpoint because the ego passes away. When you do return to your ego, however, you are armed with God realization. Much wisdom is shoved into a small hole and now you must work to integrate all of this new found wisdom.

How many hours have you spent doing self inquiry? Remember you will not realize what you are at a conceptual level- it will be at the level of Being. You will become it. So just keep going and then something will click. Also how are you doing self inquiry? My tip would be to discover what you currently believe you are. For example for me it was the "soul". And when I realized that the soul was just another thought then I became conscious of what I actually was. Actually, lol.

It's indescribable. You can similarly ask what is Consciousness? Anything you describe Consciousness with is Consciousness. It's an aspect of Consciousness. The ability to think and thus refer back to those thoughts. But what are thoughts? So you see it is all tied up in the mysterious knot of Consciousness. Something you cannot get outside of to say what it is. It is rock bottom.

Yes that is what I meant with that statement. The wave realizes it's the ocean. Merging isn't quite the right word because it was never separate from you. But it's the coming together of Oneness.

I've died before. It is called enlightenment. You will become conscious that death is merely a shift in Consciousness - and you don't have to exit the physical body permanently for that. You can die and return. Gandalf the Grey did it and so can you 🙂 ..OK ok, he was fighting a Balrog so it's not quite the same, but you get my drift 😀

I can tell you that death is melting into Infinite Love or Pure Consciousness - aka Infinity. It's beautiful. You will merge back into yourself - God. From the finite to Infinite. But when I say that death is Love this is not to glorify death or the ceasing of you being in this body. Why? Because Infinite Love is within your grasp now - even as a mortal in human form. You are in human form now to experience a particular form of infinite Lpve and you can burst into it even in human form. So do not go chasing death either. Enjoy the ride!

To piggy back on @Phil ..an experience of God is independent or prior to any trigger - be it meditation or psychedelics. It happens precisely when it means to.

Indeed.

It's pointless guys he is a rationalist. He does not embrace mysticism. He puts up the facade that he does. But it's a smoke screen. He has never had a mystical experience so he believes science governs reality.

Yes of course - "bad" stuff for the ego should not be directly experienced because it is bad for the ego 😀 but notice this a bias of the ego which cherry picks what should be directly experienced 😀

You ask the greatest questions one can ask in life. I can say this - they are not stories. God does indeed exist. But you will need to look deep within yourself to discover it. Until then, they are merely stories of God and nothing more.

No one ever said it was.