Robed Mystic

yah man, why do you ask?

How does this pertain to the topic at hand ?

I think it's deeper than that. I think you have an issue with mysticism. You struggle with that being reality over science. And it really throws you.

Correct. True can be false simultaneously that's really what non-duality is. They combine but when seen as separate they become their own identities.

Why do you assume I'm defending Leo when I'm not? Please get this one through your thick head- and i hate to be blunt but you require it unfortunately. Im saying that If you had accessed infinite states of Consciousness via psychedelics- and God knows you do enough- you would not be ridiculing Leo other than to say hey - don't reveal that yet. Or, don't act so immature in how you teach....You would surely not be acting like reaching a state of God Consciousness was not possible.

You wouldn't be making a joke out of it. You would see it for what it is. You would realize that Leo had accessed it via psychedelics (I call it cheating) then came back and thus makes comments like this because he hasn't lived enough years and is still very immature. That's not to say I wouldn't take psychedelics to shift into a state of God Consciousness - but I have accessed it sober as well.

😀 damn right I'm hurt..I'm hurt that you haven't accessed Infinity yet with all the psychedelics you take.

Wow - you are calling what is secreted by toads Leo DMT? Please stop disrespecting the toads 😀

True but at the same time false. It's still inspection just a different state of inspection. It's a conceptual state vs actual and actually they both collapse into One.

The ego uses satire like a magician. It keeps itself asleep by thinking it's brilliant with its ingenious use of satire.

So, an infinite state of consciousness is comical. Hmmm...is it that or are you just laughing about Leo in general saying that how he said it... Hey, it is kinda funny - but be careful not to overlook the possibility that such things are possible.

You took it out of context. He was talking about when he was in that state of consciousness. The video is on states of consciousness. I haven't listened to the whole thing but I'm about half way through. He is not saying he is a deity- he is saying he has been in states of Infinite Consciousness where if (and this is imaginary) a human in a normal state of consciousness would observe "him" then it would appear to them that he is a deity. In truth, in such a state, there could be no others or no other humans because they will all collapse. So don't take it literally.

True but also false....Because conceptualization (which is what inspection really is) cannot capture direct experience. It doesn't mean it isn't actual. The thought of it isn't- but that's a mere pointer and not IT itself 🙂 It is right now - and we can point back to it later but it won't be it, at the same time it will be, at least as a reference point.

Do you not feel it's feasible to reach Infinite levels of Intelligence and that you may possibly be a finite form of Infinite Intelligence? This is going to require you to exit the physical paradigm into the Consciousness paradigm.

Most of the time knowledge is gained from direct experience in the first place. But anyway, that's not what is meant when we say direct experience is King. That's a strawman of what is being said. Lets look at direct experience in a spiritual context - getting in touch with what is actual - what you are experiencing directly right now - vs what is conceptual- such as a dragon you are imagining in your mind. The danger, when it comes to spirituality - is that you take spiritual teachings, which are conceptual, as a belief that they are true. But you have not directly experienced them as True. The words "Direct Experience" are actually misleading in a sense because directly speaking, there is not a you that experiences. There is just pure experience, you might say. So, when you realize spiritual Truth directly you will actually become it, and that is direct as it can get. In this context it triumphs all else - because all else is conceptual and not actual. That said, it can also apply to everything in life. Unless you actually directly experience something for yourself, you probably will not gain knowledge and wisdom. Someone can tell you something until you are blue in the face - but until you experience it for yourself you won't learn it and won't gain the wisdom that comes with experience. So in this sense it triumphs concept as well.

You watch too much TV 😀 There is no other plane. Yes, this is a dream and you can awaken from it. But this only enhances reality.

@Lester Retsel has not had an awakening so he will obviously think you are parroting. Do not worry about it. He has made a fool of himself already and asked for a ban.

You can come to the Dark side if you wish. 😀 you will be given a high ranking - right under Vader and myself.

All that matters is if he sees him as a guru.

Exactly.

Noted! If I'm mistaken then I am. But I saw his post where he felt like he had abandoned his integrity for leaving the other forum. And he had just asked about the meaning or importance of integrity on Actualized. Perhaps my intuition was wrong here. Nonetheless- I see a guy who left one guru for another.

You know what I see? And yes I know who you are from Actualized. You are TimR. I see a very young, very very smart guy who has really placed ALL his authority into one guru. Only its a different one. You jumped from the frying pan into the fire. Be careful with that brother.

I had certain awakenings prior to Leo. As they were not on psychedelics. I was just talking to @Iesu and explained to him that Leo discovered God through psychedelics far behind when his own ego was ready for it. That's why he is still busy acting out shit in Vegas and other stuff. This is again why I feel that psychedelics can be a dangerous tool if leveraged foolishly or too early in Leo's case, that is not the case because he was grounded. But still he is at an egoic state of growth where what he learned via psychedelics was far beyond where he had developed as a person. I think this is the biggest inconsistency with Leo. Psychedelics. In other words his ego still needs to catch up.

I think he jumped the gun by banning him and probably regrets it. Phil has been Phil forever..so why now? I know I've jumped the gun on there before and it clearly shines through as ego. That said - it could have been that their styles differed and it was better if Phil started his own community just because of the different styles.

It doesn't matter really. It's One no matter how you spin it.