sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Just now, Robed Mystic said: Uh uh. You're not getting out of this. Address my questions and then I will address yours. Basically- I asked you first. "it's a cruel world" is a belief, a spin, an interpretation, a position you can come and go from. it seems to totally contradict your previous lofty statements on "consciousness" being primary to all interpretation. My world view is that all interpretation is mutable. there is no "correct take" on what it's like. metaphysics is just a way of understanding things that is not limited to the so-called scientific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Just now, sacredprofane said: "it's a cruel world" is a belief, a spin, an interpretation, a position you can come and go from. it seems to totally contradict your previous lofty statements on "consciousness" being primary to all interpretation. And why is contradiction a problem? Perhaps contradiction is a feature of reality? But yes, Consciousness is primary. Everything is held within this thing called Consciousness. It is held within the mind. But there are many layers to the mind- and the layer at which the cruel world exists is the same layer the human mind sits. But there is a trick that Consciousness can do. It does have the ability to skip layers, it's just not very easy to access. 5 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: "My world view is that all interpretation is mutable. there is no "correct take" on what it's like. Do you have thoughts on the substance of reality? Like what is it made of? Remove the abstract now - and bring in something that you love. Its called science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said: And why is contradiction a problem? Perhaps contradiction is a feature of reality? But yes, Consciousness is primary. Everything is held within this thing called Consciousness. It is held within the mind. But there are many layers to the mind- and the layer at which the cruel world exists is the same layer the human mind sits. But there is a trick that Consciousness can do. It does have the ability to skip layers, it's just not very easy to access. Do you have thoughts on the substance of reality? Like what is it made of? Remove the abstract now - and bring in something that you love. Its called science. reality doesn't contradict itself, only the ego mind's take on reality does that. its actually the easiest thing ever to "skip layers" and see anything differently, "cruel" is just one arbitrary human take out of many. the substance of reality is indeed consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: I guess there are stranger internet subcultures you could be involved with. like those adult baby guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, sacredprofane said: like those adult baby guys? which, this is starting to feel like, honestly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: reality doesn't contradict itself, only the ego mind's take on reality does that. its actually the easiest thing ever to "skip layers" and see anything differently, "cruel" is just one arbitrary human take out of many. the substance of reality is indeed consciousness. The ego's mind is reality.. Yes - you can skip it by choosing to look the other way . But since reality is made of Consciousness- (in other words it is made of nothing) you can actually do more than just look the other way. You can actually change the way. The way is something created by Consciousness . But this isn't possible (ordinarily) at the human level of consciousness- so thus you can just choose to view things the way you want to. And that's great. Just keep in mind that you can also go beyond that. . Edited February 26, 2023 by Robed Mystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said: The ego's mind is reality.. Yes - you can skip it by choosing to look the other way . But since reality is made of Consciousness- (in other words it is made of nothing) can you can actually do more than just look the other way. You can actually change the way. The way is something created by Consciousness . But this isn't possible (ordinarily) at the human level of consciousness- so thus can you just choose to view things the way you want to. And that's great. Just keep in mind that you can also go beyond that. . the ego mind is illusion, illusion is not reality. consciousness is not nothing, you are constantly confusing nothing with everything it seems. and i'm not talking about "looking the other way" i'm talking about look another way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Just now, sacredprofane said: the ego mind is illusion, illusion is not reality. consciousness is not nothing, you are constantly confusing nothing with everything it seems. and i'm not talking about "looking the other way" i'm talking about look another way. Illusion is all there is to reality. That's what it is. And consciousness is nothing. You can zoom in on your hand forever. You cannot reduce reality down to atoms or quarks. It is an infinite fractal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: Illusion is all there is to reality. That's what it is. And consciousness is nothing. You can zoom in on your hand forever. You cannot reduce reality down to atoms or quarks. It is an infinite fractal. this was your 666th post. maybe because....it's pure devilry how can an illusion be cruel, btw? Edited February 26, 2023 by sacredprofane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: this was your 666th post. maybe because....it's pure devilry how can an illusion be cruel, btw? That's because I'm the devil 🙂 haha - nice catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said: It is an infinite fractal. infinite means "not finite", correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: infinite means "not 2 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: through deep self loathing Well not really. Ask the homeless guy on the street if it's because he loathes himself Edited February 26, 2023 by Robed Mystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Just now, DMT Elf said: through deep self loathing self loathing is illusory... in order for there to be an illusion, there has to be something that isn't illusion. otherwise, the word is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: infinite means "not finite", correct? Hah..trying to trick me up eh? No - it includes both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, sacredprofane said: self loathing is illusory... in order for there to be an illusion, there has to be something that isn't illusion. otherwise, the word is meaningless. No there doesn't. A perfect illusion is because there is nothing outside of the illusion. Ergo reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Just now, Robed Mystic said: Hah..trying to trick me up eh? No - it includes both. so...reality and illusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said: No there doesn't. A perfect illusion is because there is nothing outside of the illusion. Ergo reality so, lets ditch the word "illusion" then, since it apparently has no useful meaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredprofane Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 @Robed Mystic"includes both" implies a duality, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robed Mystic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, sacredprofane said: @Robed Mystic"includes both" implies a duality, no? Language is dualistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, sacredprofane said: i want to see this happen as well...maybe instead of paying him off to take a break from the A--- forum, the money could be offered him to follow through with this? For sure, yes. They might end up being two in the same. YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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