Reena

That place is rife with lack of integrity.

Lina Lina Lina, just surrender to people, come on.

I also need a ton of guidance all the time. Because I always fuck up.

I'm intelligent and I process stuff well and I understand stuff but where I lack is wisdom and creative thinking and I suck at articulation

You act like you have never made any mistakes in your life. You act like a person on drugs. I'm running out of patience trying to get you on board. It's like you're failing to catch up. What you sow is what you reap. Change your attitude as fast as you can. It's rooted in biases. It will cost you or someone else. You act all almighty, like a God complex and I guess people like do better in such places because it's run by people with God complexes, so no wonder you fit right in. But this setting is not good for me, it's only endless debating with blowhards like you who engage in mindless chattering, bickering, blaming, and pointless judging. What do I gain from this perfectionist attitude? You operate from ego, granted we all do, but it is especially harmful when you come with that perspective to someone who is mentally ill.. If a person with mental illnesses has paranoid delusions, there's no point in telling them that they have delusions because they already know it, it's like telling a person with depression that they are a burden on society, perhaps they are aware that they are not liked by others, but this is not solution to their situation, neither are you having an authority over their solutions, you're simply judging them for what suits your frame of survival aka your own survival biases playing out, but they can find better people who guide them rather than judge them. Amen. I've dealt with people like you before. It's nothing but a headache because there is zero harmony, only finger pointing to what's right and wrong, an attitude that should never exist in mental health, imagine if a narcissist went out to seek help, and the therapist told them how delusional narcissists are, well no thanks, that's not what the narcissist is paying the therapist for, he is asking for therapy and not a judgement on narcissism, he has probably already been bombarded on how terrible narcissism is plenty of times before by people around him. He is trying to seek help, not being lectured on what is obvious with mental health issues. People like you are a headache to deal with because all they do is throw their morality based survival biases in my direction looking to seek a moral victory over my struggles, what have you done other than shaming, as though having mental illness is a crime, how about you take responsibility that people are problematic whether you like it or not and they are not going to be standing up to your expectations and that you should be tolerant of their space as long as they aren't personally harming you. You're just a distraction from my problem, whatever your personal agenda might be, none of my concern, but your harsh attitude only serves you, none other. You say selfishness is not a bad thing, yet you will have a problem when I'll be selfish, because you don't see that you operate from cognitive dissonance and personal biases. You want to bring your ego into this. But you don't come from a place of "concern for me" rather you come from a place of concern for you and others so you aren't exactly helpful to me and you shouldn't care too much because instead of utilizing my thread for your Almighty bashing you could start a separate thread on how frustrated you are with people like me. And if you're trying hard to moralize me to improve me, then sorry you're failing miserable because shaming is a part of your agenda, not a part of the solution, it's only making me feel more miserable and bitter about society, so you aren't cultivating any empathy in me for a greater social cause with that mindset. And if you wanna lash out at me by saying that you don't give a fuck about my feelings or concerns, then well whatever you do is a huge waste of my time because it doesn't come from a good faith place anyway, it's just concern only for you, not for me, so why in the world will I be receptive to it anyway. Good faith place is when you have concern for a person's feelings and its not all a one way communication, but you care about that person as well, which I never find you doing. You can sit there and justify your selfishness all you want, but that's not what spirituality is and that's why Leo fails at this so miserably. So if someone said that you should stay 1000 feet away from spirituality, then they are probably right. You should..

What I lack is wisdom not intelligence. I have basic intelligence and I'm moderately articulate. I can say I have average intelligence. But I badly lack wisdom. I don't even know how to define wisdom but I know it when I see it. I will have to check my posts 3 times before posting (because of my mental illness sometimes I end up posting vulnerable shit about myself and end up attracting predators in my direction. This time I'm gonna be careful. I know I act emotionally unhinged, especially during my deep vulnerable moments, and I feel like I constantly get taken advantage of.) Note to myself - beat yourself a little for acting naive all the time. And then regretting later. I need 3 things - confidence wisdom boundaries "I can neither protest you nor resist you."

In hindsight, this video makes a lot of sense.. A very important video with lots of info.

February 6, 2023. A typical conversation on BPD where you get to see both empathetic and judgemental perspectives on the same page. An example of an empathetic response. An example of unempathetic attitude towards mental illness.

My name is Lina(although it's not my real name) People can call me either Lina or Cupcake.

@Robed Mystic I didn't know Leo had so many problems. He has an overly hyper complicated personality. His problems weren't obvious to me a couple of years ago. But now his problems are peeking out and becoming glaringly visible. People who don't see his problems have taken the proverbial kool-aid and their eyes are shut. I can't blame them because I was like them at some point. But I have woken up now. I can see things. I don't know what to say at this point. I'm now beginning to connect all the dots and realizing why Actualized was so so toxic and I always used to wonder about it, what was the reason behind it all.. Now I understand that Leo is the sole reason why that place is tainted. His attitude tends to trickle down through the forum and spreads everywhere. He makes the forum the way it is. In turn everyone becomes the vibe of the forum. Hint - all clever people left the forum. They actually saw all the wrong things. Intuitively. 3 places that are evil Jail Mental asylum Cult Leo represents at least one of the above options (won't take rocket science to figure out which one).

You aren't Leo to speak for Leo. Also do you eat and sleep with Leo? Do you go for a daily morning jog with him? What do you know about him other than what he wants you to know about him? The answer is that you're just a plain mod from Actualized.org and you will always be only that to Leo and never graduate above that in his eyes? Isn't Nahm/Phil's example already enough? Leo straight up discarded him after what 4 years of free service as a moderator? Unpaid work and the work is not easy either. On top of that, public demotion over something that was not to Leo's liking. Frankly, the moment he demoted Phil was the moment I had seriously begun to suspect Leo, because if I were in Leo's place (or any other half decent human being for that matter), I would have some consideration for the person who had served me for 4 years without a dime. I wasn't against Leo at the time because I was too brainwashed to ever see past my rose tinted glasses, I saw Leo as a very different person back then, with the illusory mask on, he kinda looks good to an untrained eye. I'm honestly surprised that so many people are always overly eager to serve him for free, yea because he possesses a certain superficial charm, a charismatic personality, he is not boring like Eckhart Tolle. I get it. He is the less popular Andrew Tate. He gets everyone glued to him with his bashing style and lot of guys are hooked on it like crack. But that's exactly what makes him dangerous to vulnerable people since vulnerable people are without doubt always attracted to someone who can hold their attention, someone who can tickle them. A person like Eckhart Tolle cannot attract vulnerable people, not because he lacks anything specifically, but because vulnerable people are like children, very susceptible to sweet talk, emotional talk and anything that gets their hormones flowing. That's why vulnerable people are mostly attracted to narcissists because narcissistic people possess the intense emotional charm to create those bodily sensations, to create strong signals in the brain for attraction. That's why vulnerable people are attracted to cult leaders, pastors, religious people, alpha males and superman figures. Leo is equally responsible for the dynamic he creates with people, because he sets it into motion through his very subtle subliminal communication. Leo is thousand times cleverer than you. He has tremendous social potential, he can spot people like a jackal. He is not good at learning psychology, he fails at even basic psychological literature, but he is smarter than a fox at discerning people simply through online text, he can scan the person he is talking to, he has immense experience and natural skill(probably) in this particular department. And he puts it to good use, although he cannot scan himself with the same tenacity he uses for others. Anyways, knowing Leo for so many years, I've learned a thing or two. What I have surmised is that Leo enjoys having intense influence over people. This is his hobby. His passion. Nothing wrong with it. But like they say, with great power comes great responsibility. I think that's where everything goes wrong with him. He wants to keep pushing the envelope on how much outrageous he can get. He will see in time that power can only go so far. Power addiction has never triumphed to a happy ending. I have been a Leo fanatic for years. I was one of his biggest fans. I defended him when no one else would. And there's a benefit to being a fan. You get a close up of the person you fall in love with.. Everything has its pros and cons. When you keep a distance from a person, you don't get to learn much about them. I was never oblivious to Leo even in the slightest. I could read him on cue. Only his beloved fans will know him better? You can't escape parasocial relations once you put yourself out there in the public, this is the nature of the game. If you don't like fans, then you should hide in your apartment, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Leo cannot on one hand expect to be out there with people interacting with these people like they're sitting in his bedroom (the super personal close up blog videos that he used to do with a big grin) and also not having people get close to him, there's something like telepathic communication and mind reading if you believe it or not (nothing is truly hidden and that's the nature of the paranormal, the world is more complex than you realize), and so people will figure out Leo's jackal ways. People who wish to see through him will see through him. It's like you can't escape your own Subconscious. I have known Leo intuitively and for that I don't need to meet him in person. I know through my years of experience hanging around Leo online, that his Actualized.org dream is a huge power trip for Leo, to fulfill his deep inner void of insecurity of not having enough power. Leo is power tripping. He was like this even before. He was like this in 2018, it just wasn't that ugly back then. Now it has gotten worse and will keep getting worse with time. Something that doesn't start with the purest intent cannot end in grace and beauty. Everything that started with the temptation for power ended in ego games and ugliness and chaos. And that's exactly what you'll and others on Actualized.org will keep witnessing over the next couple of months. Leo does not stand for grace and beauty. He is too tempted to power to grasp beauty.

You could try to detach yourself from Actualized.org. Also it's just a forum and not the whole world. There are many wonderful people out there, just not on Actualized. First step is to not blame yourself because Actualized.org has an ingrained culture of "blame the woman for everything," don't give into that. Second step is to meet people in your local area and you'll see they are very different from people on Actualized. I don't know if you're the user called no_name but it seems you visit the forum often if you are them. Visiting the forum is absorbing its harmful energy. If you want to visit, do so occasionally. Best healer is time. Over time you'll gradually forget Actualized.org and a new path will begin. Healing starts with opportunity and space. Make good use of this opportunity that you are no longer in a toxic place and use this opportunity to enjoy things you love doing and exploring. Initially you'll think a lot about Actualized.org and that's understandable but as time goes by you'll feel better off without it and you won't feel the need to visit the forum.

Forgiving him is condoning him. You're not realizing that I'm currently in intense therapy on a daily basis to help cope with all the abuse I went through because of his forum behavior. I'm not full of hate. I'm trying to put it all out there so that others don't suffer the way I'm suffering. Leo's behavior is so intense, it can actually cause someone to be admitted to the psych ward. It's systematic and subtle and subliminally operating on the psyche. This is absolutely not okay, and instead of forgiving it should be completely shunned before there is a longer list of victims. Narcissistic abuse always involves blaming the victim for putting trust into the manipulator. His behavior has caused me immense trouble and I felt trapped because I was made to believe that there's no place on the internet like his. Leo can induce psychological breakdown and people on his forum start publicly targeting the person who is on his radar. It's like getting a public beating, sorry but that's just wrong. He can keep his tough love to himself. Tough love should be balanced with soft love (which he doesn't do), otherwise it turns into a lashing that does more harm than good. I think Leo fundamentally lacks the understanding of love. Everyone falls in this trap where they begin to sympathize with him, it's a quality of his where he inevitably draws sympathy out of people. I'm aware of this trap now so I constantly have to check myself the moment I see myself wanting to show him compassion. This is like showing compassion for a child who is constantly disrupting everyone's peace and causing mayhem in their lives and at some point this coddling of Leo needs to stop. Forgiving him also means not letting him seriously know what he is doing to people and let him decline rather than improve. He doesn't need criticism because he will double down on it. He needs harsh action like a boycott. I doubt if even that would be enough to get him to stop. So the only last solution is to just break his contact with the general public. There's a petition on Change. Org to remove Leo from the internet space. I'm sure Leo is not only causing harm to people on the forum but also to people around him. He is a threat in the mental sense, that is capable of unleashing great mental harm on the level that cult leaders generally do. In the future all of this is going to be exposed anyway, so there's no point in forgiving him, he is a train wreck waiting to happen, because he is arrogant, overly confident and unstoppable. So his behavior will go on unabated. One day all will crash like a huge train wreck and maybe he will be forced to isolate himself, he is so much in need of being around people (in a not so healthy way) that he simply cannot resist this addiction and the temptation of his career is his ultimate downfall. His only cure is spirituality but that he won't do since he demonizes Eastern tradition. So all options are redundant for him. I doubt that he will ever think that it was his fault. Even when everything around him is crumbling down, he will come up with some bad justification like "see, this is what happens when you start an online community, I should have never started it blah blah blah," but never take accountability that he destroyed it with his own hands. He is like a stone, you hammer him a million times, the stone won't break, he just won't budge. He might occasionally say false hopeful statements like " I am aware I'm harsh and I'll try to change and adopt a more matured and be self aware" yada yada and he will be a nice kid for a few days and then back to the same old ways. I've seen this before with people like him in my life. They don't change even at the age of 70. He has zero incentive to improve, then why would he? Leo is a train wreck and smart people leave a sinking ship and brainwashed people stay on it till it sinks. People are simply wasting their time, but precious time, they could invest it in real life experiences and traveling around the world and eventually most smart people will see it and leave his forum and community for good. Others who stay till the end will regret dragging it and trusting him till the end. There's nothing to be gained other than periodic delusional insights from Leo dropped by him on the forum from time to time and a complete waste of everyone's time who keep believing his drivel. First it was hyper intelligent alien mouse, then it was planet earth, then it was temporary insanity for 1 hour, then some more ridiculousness, delusion and derangement will follow over the course of this year and who knows how many more years. I give it maximum 3 years and a minimum 1 year before it collapses into a complete joke and the signs of it are already appearing, people on his forum are talking about leaving, so I'm not far off the mark with my assessment. All it needs is common sense to see that him and his policies are not sustainable, this is not even rocket science. I don't forgive him, because there's nothing to forgive, I just pity him because he is so blind to everything and his arrogance doesn't help his blindness. Anyway when one doesn't learn a thing the easy way, they just have to learn the same thing the harder way. Leo is freely collapsing and free falling, all through the way, with full liberty and arrogance, since everyone else is always wrong and he is right, he will crash but it will be too late to undo things. This is what happens when a man is completely deluded with spiritual ego, they fall off a cliff at high speed in blissful arrogance. And then crash landing. Don't say I didn't warn and more than warning, I just hope and pray that people wake up to this massive delusion.

@Robed Mystic the problem with the whole situation is that you're very contradictory of your own beliefs. When you say that feeling resentment towards someone causes suffering within oneself and that there is no "price" to be paid, then that by that logic absolutely nobody should be banned on Actualized. Because by banning them, you're actually (and hypocritically) making them pay the price for their actions. At least people who are banned would feel like they had to pay a price for something they did on the forum. When you speak words, they should carry legitimacy. This is the problem with Actualized. Their values are never consistent. Their values flip flop every minute as it suits them however in the moment. On one hand, Leo should not have to pay the price if someone feels hurt by his actions, yet on the other when Leo's own pride and ego are hurt, he instantly bans the user, latest example being the user no_name, they always have to pay the price for hurting him. Leo said that by joining this forum, people will be breaking his trust he has in his followers. We are supposed to forgive Leo, yet Leo cannot forgive us. The contradiction of values is glaring. Why is Leo's trust so important but not ours? We place the same trust in him that he places in us. So we feel that our trust is broken too (when he feels just the way we do when his trust is broken by our actions) when he cannot forgive us, when he makes us feel appreciated and loved and then discards us at will and punishes us for our flaws and doesn't give second chances. I trusted him for so long as my guru, but I'm not entirely wrong in trusting him because that's the image he has marketed to me over the years, someone who calls himself God, someone who calls himself a spiritual teacher because God is loving and God does not punish, God is known for mercy towards his sheep. God is not acting elitist like Leo. God is not separating himself from the flock as someone who is special and above everyone. God understands his children and doesn't break their trust or let them astray when they do wrong. But your God Leo betrayed my trust, stabbed me in the back, loved me and coddled me in the beginning, made me want to trust him, helped me on many occasions, gave me so much love and then suddenly started acting distant and rude, made me feel isolated and not accepted, his tune began to change and it made me angrier over time. I didn't need Leo's coddling but he does it to make people feel loved. So that people will stay. Then when he doesn't need them anymore he deletes them like trash. I loved Leo till the end. So much for loving and trusting him for so many years that he could not even have a conversation with me, I guess God is too busy. The fact is that Leo made his relationship with me personal all along, it wasn't my fault that I felt closer to him and he does this to everyone. Then when he doesn't like them he begins to alienate them, this is textbook narcissism, ask anyone. He shouldn't have made me feel coddled and loved, if he was going to discard me in the end, that's where he is wrong because I feel abandoned. Leo himself told me that he had coddled me for years. These are his own words. But coddling is not okay to begin with. It is a sign of manipulation. If he cannot keep trust, then he should not create trust to begin with. He makes people feel accepted and then when things don't match his needs he discards them. Trust is a two way street. Leo cannot be on one hand asking and demanding the trust of his followers and on the other not wanting them to trust him equally. So if they trust him, they don't want him to abandon them when they are out of line. I know this might sound absurd but the reason why we don't lie to someone we trust is because we don't see the need to be lying to someone who we trust, but at the same time, we also tend to lie the most to someone who we love and trust, because deep down we take the liberty to do so since we believe they won't punish us even if they found out. Both are equally plausible conditions. And in both conditions trust is the main virtue that makes us do what we do.

Leo, don't kid yourself. You were supposed to be love but it turns you went psychotic. People are afraid to be you now, God knows(oh shucks), what they would find inside you.

@Maycausedizzyness Leo Gura the fake guru. The man who leeches off vulnerable people. Let's see what others have to say.

@Robed Mystic Leo Gura is not a good person. He is manipulative and psychologically abusive. One day he will be paying the price for all the suffering he has caused to people in the name of teachings. I have no empathy for him. Because he is bastardizing spirituality. He is bastardizing God. Actualized.org will go down some day. And it needs to. Leo's ego will be slapped in his own face. He thinks he is winning.

@Blessed2 hahaha 😉 Leo's poison left my body on January 24,2023. That's the best part. Since then I can allow myself to be stupid. Lol.

Wise words, especially the last line. Leo is so lacking in integrity that at this point after everything I saw go down, I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth as truth. It feels like every word out of his mouth is a lie just to maintain his image. Narcissism is self deception and deceiving others. Finally narcissism boils down to lack of integrity because that's the condition it creates. To me he is the most unethical person in the room, preaching others in a hypocritical sense, meanwhile completely ignoring the elephant in the room, his own selfish ego. It's just vapid lack of integrity masked as health of the forum. First he damages his own image and then sits down repairing it. But he can never let go of his addictions and obsessions.. This is his pattern. You'll witness more damage control in the future, obviously none of it aimed at actual inner change,just outer facades as usual. Leo has shown terrible lack of sensitivity, judgement, character, morality, integrity to suffice his own selfish motives. (My final comment on this thread,because I don't have much time) My final judgment and statement to Leo is this - Lack of integrity cannot take you far, it will eventually destroy everything you create like a termite corroding furniture. Everything you see going down was a gradual consequence of your own lack of integrity, your own choices you made. Goodluck.

At this point I can't tell if Leo is trolling his own followers. This seems like another manipulative tactic from a narcissist's toolbox. As usual, it is never the narcissist's fault. It is always someone else's fault. This time he decided to blame psychedelics. But he never claimed he did psychedelics in the last few weeks. The only claim he made was that he did weed. Yet he never called weed a psychedelic in the way he would usually call dmt. So there is zero proof of recent psychedelic use. Yet he wants to blame his meltdown on psychedelics indirectly. He thinks his gullible crowd will absolutely believe anything he says since they always have, so he can even get away with trolling them. This is his strategic (read psychopathic) way of dealing with the aftermath of the meltdown instead of apologizing and taking accountability. By the way on the same blog page (if anyone noticed) he wrote this - You can't imagine his next strategy. It involves asking his forum what makes a good man and he is going to be making a video on that. Really? He now wants to convince people how he is knows what a good person is, and how impossible it is for him to hurt people if he knows what being a good man entails. Funny. The mental gymnastics he wants to do in order to make people feel like he knows it all and is being his best version. Far from it. He is trying to put rose tinted glasses on people once again to remedy his ruined image like damage control. Everything he does is a facade to make people think good about him. It's just a false image he is maintaining. His thread is laughable given the recent meltdown he had. Just more and more ego games Leo Gura. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/89573-what-makes-a-good-man/ How about actually showing compassion to people, treating everyone fairly and not using his ego to justify every wrongdoing but actually reflecting on why others are hurt because of him. That would be a good start. Then someone made a post challenging him on child rape. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/89477-god-loves-child-rape/ I reject the idea that a loving God would condone or enable child rape. This belief is deeply disturbing and incompatible with my values and personal beliefs. I recognize that I may have previously held notions of God that were not fully understood or verified by me. I take responsibility for not guarding my mental faculties properly and not fully examining my beliefs. I now choose to embrace skepticism and rational empiricism, and return to atheism as my default position - but in a non-dogmatic manner. As an atheist, I can subjectively choose to call child rape as evil, based on my own logical definition and values. This allows me to ascribe meaning to my reality as a humanist without resorting to twisted and illogical notions of love. I recognize that love is a human virtue, and I strive to embody it through expansive, loving and kind thoughts and actions that benefit other humans and animals. Atheism also gives me the freedom to be myself, own my needs and goals, and choose to do good spontaneously. I understand that life is best played in a collaborative, non-zero-sum manner, and I will strive to enrich and empower others through careful logical considerations and my own authentic heartfelt moral compass. Furthermore, I am open to exploring and understanding consciousness through meditation, kriya yoga, and psychedelics, as I believe this will help me to become a more compassionate and empathetic person.