James123 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 As I mentioned above, how can we trust the human knowledge? How do they know that we are in the world, having a body, experiencing, living etc... ? Whatever we have learn since our birth including the birth and I is the biggest illusion in the first place. Let me give you an example. Phones. If you go back 50 years ago and tell someone cellphone they will tell you wtf is that. So as you see we invented the phone, as our birth, as us, as these/my sentences. Great deal to learn many stuff. But how do they know? Knowing is the biggest illusion. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, James123 said: As I mentioned above, how can we trust the human knowledge? How do they know that we are in the world, having a body, experiencing, living etc... ? Whatever we have learn since our birth including the birth and I is the biggest illusion in the first place. Let me give you an example. Phones. If you go back 50 years ago and tell someone cellphone they will tell you wtf is that. So as you see we invented the phone, as our birth, as us, as these/my sentences. Great deal to learn many stuff. But how do they know? Knowing is the biggest illusion. Yea it's all made up. If you see any-thing in front of you, that's delusion. If you can't see/taste/touch/hear/feel, that's truth, freedom from mind identification. And still....the rent check comes in the mail... Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, Orb said: And still....the rent check comes in the mail... Lol. Survival. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/12/2024 at 4:54 PM, James123 said: But how do they know? Knowing is the biggest illusion. I agree, knowing is an illusion. All we can know is we don't know. That feels like a knowing, but it's imagined knowing. Although concepts are known, that which is a known concept knows nothing. As Nondual reality, a.k.a Oneness is not a concept, dualities are concepts. In reality there is no divide or separation, there is only this Unknowing Nondual reality, rendering any knowledge about it can only point to the illusory nature of reality, not the actual reality as it is. Oneness not being a concept may invoke a kind of ignorance and misunderstanding because Oneness is simply not recognised because it's unknown. Only concepts are known. Or something like that❣️ 🤯♾️ LOL Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 There is only an illusion of knowing & understanding for the illusory separate self of thought. The separate self of thought & knowing and understanding is the veiling of the true apparent nature of reality, and the true nature of being. Oneness is ‘all things and or selves are in actuality one’, like panpsychism is ‘there is consciousness in all things’, just as solipsism is ‘all that can be known is my mind’. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 The concept of us being humans being a part of "nature" is also odd when you think about it. If we look back 2000 years saying we would be flying around in space that would sound completely impossible. The concept of being a part of nature sounds very limited when in reality everything is possible and "we" are something completely undefineable. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 4 hours ago, Phil said: There is only an illusion of knowing & understanding for the illusory separate self of thought. The separate self of thought & knowing and understanding is the veiling of the true apparent nature of reality, and the true nature of being. Oneness is ‘all things and or selves are in actuality one’, like panpsychism is ‘there is consciousness in all things’, just as solipsism is ‘all that can be known is my mind’. Definitely 💯. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Jane said: Or something like that❣️ 🤯♾️ LOL Lol. So anything we say is just a personal opinion, nothing to do with Truth. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/16/2024 at 6:57 PM, James123 said: Lol. So anything we say is just a personal opinion, nothing to do with Truth. Who's truth? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Jane said: Who's truth? Truth is always here or there. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConsciousDreamer666 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 so what is current perception? Just Empty Being ? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConsciousDreamer666 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/16/2024 at 3:27 PM, Phil said: There is only an illusion of knowing & understanding for the illusory separate self of thought. The separate self of thought & knowing and understanding is the veiling of the true apparent nature of reality, and the true nature of being. Oneness is ‘all things and or selves are in actuality one’, like panpsychism is ‘there is consciousness in all things’, just as solipsism is ‘all that can be known is my mind’. are you trying to say 'other' perceptions exist? If perception is empty Being with noself, then other selfs would be me. But how do I even know you even exist if I just empty my mind there is just nothing I can know @Phil as James said not-knowing. How can I know you are real? How do I know im not alone in this empty unknown Being? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 14 minutes ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said: are you trying to say 'other' perceptions exist? If perception is empty Being with noself, then other selfs would be me. But how do I even know you even exist if I just empty my mind there is just nothing I can know @Phil as James said not-knowing. How can I know you are real? How do I know im not alone in this empty unknown Being? Other selves aren't you because there isn't a you. Perception is without boundaries. You'll never find a "perceiver" only perception. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 30 minutes ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said: are you trying to say 'other' perceptions exist? There is no plurality of perception or feeling. 30 minutes ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said: If perception is empty Being with noself, then other selfs would be me. That’s a contradiction. If perception is empty, there aren’t other selfs (which are me). 30 minutes ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said: But how do I even know you even exist if I just empty my mind there is just nothing I can know @Phil Believe it or not, “I know” is the thought, “I know”. It’s an inherently illusory notion, as for there to be knowing requires a knower & some thing other than the knower which the knower knows. 30 minutes ago, ConsciousDreamer666 said: as James said not-knowing. How can I know you are real? How do I know im not alone in this empty unknown Being? That would still be on behalf of a separate finite self. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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