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@Blessed2 Thank you for taking the time to respond. I have read through all of it, and have to say, agree with you, and that you have made some very insightful points that have helped me understand more about the act of suicide. A subject that I have always been fascinated about, but not in a morbid way, rather, in an introspective way. So there is no sacrifice, and the Jesus death was not a sacrifice, rather, it was more of an ego death? Which is the entrance into Nonduality…. Perhaps?

A work in progress; always under construction. Thanks Robed Mystic 🙏

Probably, I’m not really certain about what’s normal when it comes to human activity. There’s just what’s happening to no one. So even misidentification and misunderstanding is what’s happening. And sometimes these energies do have a habit of getting in the way of what is ultimately the true clarity of being. Appreciate the feedback Phil.

@Orb Wonderful OP 🫶 Thanks for that. The only way out of our suffering feelings is to go through them, to let them. Allow them without resistance or interference by trying to get rid of them. Then just watch them all pass away, as they do and will, every feeling does.

Very well said. I totally 💯agree Mandy, thanks for your reply. 🙏🫶

I know what it’s like to feel suicidal. I also know intuitively that suicide is not the answer to ending one’s existence in an ugly world. Why, because our suffering is when we try to interfere with the natural flow of what is simply life living itself all alone, all one. And that no one who knows they are alive can escape because this is already the ultimate unknowing. And so we are already dead anyway. I’ve realised that I can’t change what is by wanting it to be any different than what it is. I have no control or power to interfere with it. To want it to be any different. As the saying goes…”the cactus 🌵 on its own intends no harm” I also came to realise that we are not who we think we are. We are seemingly in the world, but not of the world. So there’s no escape any which way we look at this. We are never free because we have never been shackled. What is there to lose anyway? Nothing.

@Phil Too funny Phil. 👏🫶 Thanks for the funny. 🙏

😂 that’s cute. It’s like when free falling through the infinite vastness of empty space, we must not forget to remember to let go of the air while falling. And also not forget there’s nowhere to land, or to cling to. And that homelessness is our only home. 🫠

I’ve often wondered why some people in the world feel suicidal even when they don’t actually act on it. Are people who feel suicidal whether they act on it or not; are they just experimenting with a form of Emptying albeit a radical extreme form of Emptying. Do some people just realise the purpose of the game of life is to end the game? Maybe because they’ve glimpsed the true emptiness of it all? Sorry for the sensitive subject topic, but it’s never my intention to be insensitive.

Yes 👍 Standing very still and quiet on the platform (metaphor for the screen of conscious awareness ) just allowing the trains ( metaphor for thoughts) to just come and go as they please. We can see how it takes no effort to not get on board the train of thoughts that deplete energy. It’s seen that given no attention; thoughts simply leave, because no energy has been given to them, so they have no power or real existence that can override who we truly are. Who we truly are is that which is aware of thought, and that remains always, completely unaffected and unchanged by all the locomotion passing through like dreams as though nothing ever happened. Creation is “frozen thought”in time and space appearing as things, which have no consciousness. So in reality, we are just watching ourselves as though we are in a movie or dream. That’s the only place the “me/ I thought” can exist, as a mirage, appearing real.

The only relationship that has ever worked out for me personally is the one I have with myself. 🫠 We can never truly know another, we can only know ourself, and in that solitude lies the pure contentment of real bliss and harmony. ''Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there.'' Rumi Are we willing to meet each other in our solitude? and know that although appearing separate we are in fact one? Rarely does this happen in relationships, and so far, this kind of relationship with another, has never been my experience, and is why I have chosen to be alone with only me, myself and I 💖 The only real and true love. As for others, they are quite welcome to hang around me if they are looking for company, this I do not mind, as long as they respect my love for solitude. 😁

Beautiful! 💔 That which appears 'broken' is never broken, and can never be broken.

Here are 2 good examples of a paradox. (there never was paradox) (the lies that tell the truth)

I’ve never been a member of Leo’s forum, although I’ve been a regular lurker reading there. I have viewed a significant amount of his YouTube videos though. Maybe the forum is down for maintenance… And maybe the absence of videos is because he’s simply run out of things to talk about. But yeah, who knows what’s happening. I hope he’s ok.

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The illusion can never be free of itself either. How can an illusion free an illusion, become liberated? It can’t.

What’s even more interesting is that “nothingness” can never not exist. 🤯 Lol

There’s actually no such thing as thoughts, they simply don’t exist.

Maybe, but then every thread in the Nondual sections of this site, are going to be paradoxical, so this might as well stay put, and save the pointless effort of migrating.

A nondualist has no choice but to play two roles in life: why, because there’s no such thing as a non dualist 🤣 There is only a dualist which can never not be a dualist. 🫢😉

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That’s right because when just one thing is known; everything is known, because everything is one. 🫶

Two black eyes 💀

Exactly! Sense does not make sense ..sense is senseless.

Beneath the bottom line is where Heaven is…perhaps? 🤔 Heavens above!! 🫢