Spiritual Misguidance & Misleadership

[Jonas Long]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

Link?

Patience, I haven't done it yet, I said when I get a sec.

[Phil]

@Someone here

Alternatively, allowing emotions to be felt. 

[James123]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Attachment (including attaching to detaching) to any-thing is delusion.  Awareness doesn't control maya (the false).  There's no need to detach, it's just N/A as it's landing nowhere near You.  Whatever is happening happens without Your involvement.  In other words, what's going on here is not spiritual enlightenment.  This talk can never suffice on its own for Self-realization.  It's all the Self being seated in some sense in the body-mind to try to teach a false self and a false other about how to awake while being Awake.  This is what Love is.  

 

 

[Jonas Long]

8 minutes ago, Phil said:

It’s mind boggling that the emphasis isn’t on health, well-being & compassion. 

Why do you think your forum attracted such mind boggling emphasis on not that? 

[Mandy]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You must be trolling at this point .

This isn't going anywhere. 

I'm signing off.

I just listened to 3+ hour of Jim Newman meetings while painting my house. He doesn't let people comment on his YouTube channel( understandably so) and Phil makes this whole forum available for ya all. Not sure what the entitlement is for the message to change for you. 

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Why do you think your forum attracted such mind boggling emphasis on not that? 

There aren’t separate selves. This is already the case. 

[Jonas Long]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

There aren’t separate selves. This is already the case. 

This record is realllly scratched, huh

[Someone here]

@Mandy no ill feelings towards Phil or you sister  i love him..I simply just don't buy this whole no self business for a coin. I come from a Hindu tradition and I totally understand antaman (no self ). It's partly true and partly false. But he overused it to a worrying degree. Like it's the magical solution that's gonna get you unhooked from the matrix .NO . Get real. I exist .you exist  Phil exists.  Let's face this mysterious existence head on instead of shoving our ass under the blanket of "there is no me and nothing matters "

[Jonas Long]

So, gpt gets to make the final the call on what's legit and not? Here's what it says about there being separate selves.  In other words, it's kind of just semantics to say there aren't separate selves.  

[Phil]

@Jonas Long

“The concept…. Beliefs…”

 

[Jonas Long]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Jonas Long

“The concept…. Beliefs…”

 

Can you put forth that assertion in a way that is not conceptual? 

[Phil]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

 

 

https://chatgpt.com/share/1fd19cfa-f95f-4d74-aa7c-36c2fd648903

Why is that conversation so uneccesarily long?

 

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Can you put forth that assertion in a way that is not conceptual? 

There is no you.

That there aren’t separate selves, like there aren’t unicorns, is reality and not an assertion of anything nor conceptual. 

That there are separate selves, just as that there are unicorns, would be an assertion and is conceptual. 

 

Separate selves = materialist’s paradigm. 

[WhiteOwl]

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

The dildo was, in this case, used as an imaginary object to penetrate reality, from a specific angle, so that @Someone here could have his climax.

🤣

[Jonas Long]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

There is no you.

That there aren’t separate selves, like there aren’t unicorns, is reality and not an assertion of anything nor conceptual. 

That there are separate selves, just as that there are unicorns, would be an assertion and is conceptual. 

Just because a heart and a kidney are of the same whole doesn't mean they aren't distinct in ways and perform different functions.

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Just because a heart and a kidney are of the same whole doesn't mean they aren't distinct in ways and perform different functions.

That’s thought attachment. Rationalizations.

 

That which is truly whole is not a thing, therein there aren’t hearts & kidneys. Functions as well.

 

These are all beliefs. The matrix. Materialist’s paradigm. 

[Jonas Long]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

That’s thought attachment. Rationalizations.

 

That which is truly whole is not a thing, therein there aren’t hearts & kidneys. Functions as well.

 

These are all beliefs. The matrix. Materialist’s paradigm. 

In an infinite world of possibilities, of course there are unicorns.  Obviously.  Your stubbornness is a trait.  It's undeniable, it's personality.  It probably effects your whole life, appearance-wise.  What symptoms are the psychosomatic manifestations of that? 

[WhiteOwl]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I simply just don't buy this whole no self business for a coin

Why would you buy anything. Just LOOK for  FUCK SAKE, and keep looking 😂 You haven't understood a single thing about no-self because there is nothing to understand. There is only the direct experience which will verify what this is all about, but you keep thinking there is something to understand or figure out. 

 

Yes you exist!! but not as this little thing inside your head which can be depressed or angry or unworthy, or think thoughts that they have all this antaman figured out.

[Phil]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Mandy no ill feelings towards Phil or you sister  i love him..I simply just don't buy this whole no self business for a coin.

It’s free. 

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I come from a Hindu tradition and I totally understand antaman (no self ).

That’s the you there isn’t. The “one that understands”. 

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It's partly true and partly false.

Truth is absolute.

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

But he overused it to a worrying degree.

There isn’t that self either. 🤷 This is reality.

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Like it's the magical solution that's gonna get you unhooked from the matrix .

There already isn’t that self of thoughts. 

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

NO . Get real. I exist .you exist  Phil exists.  Let's face this mysterious existence head on instead of shoving our ass under the blanket of

That is thought attachment. 

 

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

"there is no me and nothing matters "

Oh there’s me, there’s just no you. 

[Phil]

 

5 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

In an infinite world of possibilities, of course there are unicorns.  Obviously. 

Check direct experience. 

There is no “infinite world of possibilities”, obviously. 

 

5 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:

Your stubbornness is a trait.  It's undeniable, it's personality.  It probably effects your whole life, appearance-wise.  What symptoms are the psychosomatic manifestations of that? 

There’s no you.