Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alexander said: But @Philhas some wierd ways of explaining he is never straightforward. Quote a post that doesn't make sense to you or is confusing and we can look into it. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orb said: Quote a post that doesn't make sense to you or is confusing and we can look into it. You don't need to defend him but you gotta admit his style is cryptic.Nobody talks in real life like this. We all get it we are Awareness but we are aware of dualistic world.It's not that just thoughts are dualistic but language and world at large is dualistic. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, Alexander said: You don't need to defend him but you gotta admit his style is cryptic.Nobody talks in real life like this. We all get it we are Awareness but we are aware of dualistic world.It's not that just thoughts are dualistic but language and world at large is dualistic. Oh no man I'm not defending him at all, I was willing to look into a post and we can see for ourselves. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Devin said: You think "aligning thoughts with feelings" isn't based on a duality of thought(S) and feeling(S)? Like even your 'pointing' maxim, it implies something doesn't 'point' to it but other things do. I feel like the people on here that show frustration with these 'tools' have it because of the blatant implied duality. I think most people see right through it and the only confusion is about why it's acted like there isn't duality in them when there clearly is, they're clearly explicitly based on duality. Like all you do is just jump through a bunch of hoops with your tools, it's no different than any other rituals or religions in that way. It's different, but it just adds complexity and concepts man. Thinker is a thought. https://www.actualityofbeing.com/aligning-thought-with-feeling Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orb said: Oh no man I'm not defending him at all, I was willing to look into a post and we can see for ourselves. It doesn't matter go and enjoy life.So what if it is dualistic.If it wasn't dualistic I couldn't choose between stuff.I couldn't have preferences as phil says. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, Alexander said: It doesn't matter go and enjoy life.So what if it is dualistic.If it wasn't dualistic I couldn't choose between stuff.I couldn't have preferences as phil says. Thoughts imply duality Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Orb said: Thoughts imply duality How so? Dare to explain? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Alexander said: It doesn't matter go and enjoy life.So what if it is dualistic.If it wasn't dualistic I couldn't choose between stuff.I couldn't have preferences as phil says. If suffering is there, enjoying duality is impossible. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Orb said: Mind you, these words are used to communicate, what non dual points to is just recognizing you are Being. . There's no pointing to anything, that is just a concept. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Phil said: Thinker is a thought. https://www.actualityofbeing.com/aligning-thought-with-feeling Nope, thinker is just a word, actually it's not even a word, it's just lines, these lines; thinker . "thought" is just another concept, just more lines. Edited October 29, 2023 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Devin said: Nope, thinker is just a word, actually it's not even a word, it's just lines, these lines; thinker . "thought" is just another concept. What is lines? Or concept? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, James123 said: What is lines? Or concept? Just more lines; lines concept Edited October 29, 2023 by Devin Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 There can be fighting over words and concepts and there can be statements with the intention of presenting concepts which might be HELPFUL to those trying to deal with struggling. All language is ALWAYS conceptual but not all language is a beneficent attempt to "point to" the non-conceptual. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, Steve said: There can be fighting over words and concepts and there can be statements with the intention of presenting concepts which might be HELPFUL to those trying to deal with struggling. All language is ALWAYS conceptual but not all language is a beneficent attempt to "point to" the non-conceptual. Yes. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 29 minutes ago, Alexander said: How so? Dare to explain? There's the true nature, the Self, which is Being/Silence. Then thoughts arise, the thoughts if identified with create an illusion that there's a second thing. They imply it. But, the liberation is in the recognition that you are not the thoughts. And therefore it's soon realized that there actually has never been liberation, because you weren't bound to begin with. Hence, nothing is actually realized. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Devin said: Just more lines; lines concept It is impossible know anything nor explain. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Devin said: Nope, thinker is just a word, actually it's not even a word, it's just lines, these lines; thinker . "thought" is just another concept, just more lines. The irony is that this thought is being believed right now. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Orb said: The irony is that this thought is being believed right now. Wow, really? What's that like? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Devin said: You think "aligning thoughts with feelings" isn't based on a duality of thought(S) and feeling(S)? Like even your 'pointing' maxim, it implies something doesn't 'point' to it but other things do. I feel like the people on here that show frustration with these 'tools' have it because of the blatant implied duality. I think most people see right through it and the only confusion is about why it's acted like there isn't duality in them when there clearly is, they're clearly explicitly based on duality. Like all you do is just jump through a bunch of hoops with your tools, it's no different than any other rituals or religions in that way. It's different, but it just adds complexity and concepts man. 35 minutes ago, Devin said: Nope, thinker is just a word, actually it's not even a word, it's just lines, these lines; thinker . "thought" is just another concept, just more lines. You think, thinker, lines, concepts, more lines… https://www.actualityofbeing.com/aligning-thought-with-feeling Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Devin said: You think "aligning thoughts with feelings" isn't based on a duality of thought(S) and feeling(S)? Like even your 'pointing' maxim, it implies something doesn't 'point' to it but other things do. I feel like the people on here that show frustration with these 'tools' have it because of the blatant implied duality. I think most people see right through it and the only confusion is about why it's acted like there isn't duality in them when there clearly is, they're clearly explicitly based on duality. Like all you do is just jump through a bunch of hoops with your tools, it's no different than any other rituals or religions in that way. It's different, but it just adds complexity and concepts man. lmao at that "man" at the end. Well, that's just,.like, your opinion, man. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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