Jonas Long

@Whimsical there is no way he just shared it because it's an "interesting story" that he is surprised is getting the reaction it is. Sharing it that way was a way to get it off his chest without "using people as his emotional tampon" and being vulnerable with his own "gay needy nonsense". He obviously can't handle any apparent vulnerability in himself, and this whole event arises from the fact that he was vulnerable as a child to a predator. A handful of people here seem to get that but it's wild how many of his followers whi have drunk the Kool aid are making it into something else. Any other platform and he would be MASSIVELY called out and basically done for as far as having credibility and a career. Imagine any public figure who gets any type of "mainstream" media attention saying that and playing it off that way. He may just go down in the books as a case study in the relatively new phenomenon of online guru cults. Actually teal swan is a very good comparison. There is a fascinating podcast called the gateway about her whole weird story and following....lots of similarities from childhood abuse to suicides among her followers.

Well, since we've landed on this tiresome subject and the other seems to have exhausted itself, tell me, out of curiosity, how does you believing or not believing in destiny change how you live your life? And how do you differentiate destiny for "happens for a reason" nothing in that implies it's a good reason or a reason we can make sense of or understand.

Yeah, all of what you said is totally meaningless to me. Like I say, it's moot. But you can tell yourself it's that way if that makes you feel better..."happens for a reason" v "destiny" semantics...WHAT is the difference? Fine...I'm a person...I'm appearing as a person, it's just different ways of saying what is....that's why I find these forums (mostly) to be a waste of time, just a bunch of people rephrasing shit and calling that spirituality... which is fine. A minute ago we were actually talking about Something, which was much more interesting, to me anyway

@Faith In other words there's nothing in that to say I might not be "destined" to be the catalyst that causes the change that is "destined" to occur. I go back and forth with the subject of free will, but I finally realized it doesn't change my life or the truth whether I believe it or not, it's probably neither/nor because it's probably not something we can really wrap our minds around or define.

Well, yeah, I can understand that pov, but I see it as a totally moot point so....why bother? Saying "everything happens for a reason" is the same as saying "nothing happens for a reason" whether destiny is or isn't the case believing it really doesn't serve us in any practical way....unless telling yourself that just makes you feel better, but I don't see why it would, everything terrible that happens still happens, doing something about something whether it's just your "programming" or you "free will" that is driving you to do so....what is the difference exactly? Anyway, I'd really like to know Leo's birth chart. We were born the same year so I know he has Saturn in scorpio like I do. It's rough for me too but fortunately it expresses itself much differently for me.

@Faith yeah, I only put it that way because I knew someone here would eventually say something like that... I kinda think the whole nonduality thing is almost entirely meaningless semantics... at the end of it all there is no reason to live life any differently whether your perspective is ultimately nondual or not. My perspective personally is pretty much "yes, and...." There is no reason to not call out when someone is doing harm. Even Jesus called out fake spiritual teachers, thats what the parable with the fig tree and the money lenders in the temple is all about.

@DMT Elf that too.

@Serenity its very telling to me how he said later in that thread "I don't use people as emotional tampons, i work emotional problems out for myself" there is just so much disdain in that statement, like the statement "don't be stupid, of COURSE pedophilia is love" the don't be stupid part is particularly telling to me... that is how he talks to himself, and disdains any part of himself that would seem vulnerable... yes it all adds up and it's mind boggling the hoops people are jumping through to justify this revelation and work it into part of his legitimacy as a teacher.

@Faith it just bothers me and I find it worrisome that he has so many followers still...if "they" are "me" afterall...I'd like to steer my"self" in a better direction... but yeah, I realize if I keep going there will be no end to it, there will always be something more to say, to point out, a million arguments that could be made...but it will never END....I doubt he's going away anytime soon with or without my 2 cents being added. I find spiritual abuse particularly upsetting and insidious and spiritual charlatans more harmful than is often acknowledged....it's so easy to write them off as a quack, but the fact is they get normal people in their clutches and fuck their lives up more often than we may realize, without giving one fuck, and all the while making money off it and pumping up their own ego. ..

Is he fucked up because a pedo showed him "love" long before a girl ever did?

@Faith wish I'd made that point more explicit in the video I did since he actually watched it...seems like that was totally lost on him though. Can I be done with this? Have I said enough? Lol

All pedophiles are unique snow flakes and we shouldn't make sweeping judgments about them across the board... WOMEN on the other hand, sweeping and belittling statements CONSTANTLY apply...fuck sake

But he is clearly not unbiased and open minded across the board- so he can accept that pedophilia is love, but not that a women take responsibility for who they have sex with, or that a woman's value can increase with age as well as a man's, or that if a woman doesn't get "the right kind of love" it's her fault, or that "hot women" face am equal amount of challenges in life don't coast by on what is given to them for free their whole lives-all things he has said recently(post "awakening") he gives pedophiles more credit than women.

@DMT Elf then again if they do that just might be the thing that finally ruins him, because if normal people were to do the things he did to "get enlightened" -self isolate and do massive amounts of psychedelics- they will likely lose their shit for real for real. But I'd like to see it not come to that honestly

@DMT Elf his remaining supporters remind me of trump supporters at this point, literally nothing he says or does will get then to rethink their allegiance. No amount of contradictions or unproven claims, no amount of crazy is too crazy after what they've already bought into. The irony is that he, like his abuser, has "groomed" them over time to "radically accept" whatever the fuck he says is the truth.

@DMT Elf unfortunately that's very possible

@DMT Elf nobody I hope.

@DMT Elf now he's all like saying there was no trauma or need to tell anyone he just thought it was an interesting story and doesn't see why ppl are making a big deal of it. This alone shows clear as day that he does not understand people, perhaps he is autistic, as I have speculated before.

@DMT Elf yup, well I'll stay fucked and in the dark then cause i DONT WANT to live in a world where that dude is the embodiment of ultimate awakening.

@DMT Elf oh yeah, MY sneaky mind...I had old creeps I thought were kind and that I looked up to come on to me as well when I was young and i shut them the fuck down. I also started being sexually active at 14 and never dropped tons of money to learn how to. The fuck.

Lol.he said he put off dating for so long because his life purpose didn't include chasing girls...seems like he played enough video games during that time, but talking to girls was.a waste of time. So instead of doing it naturally at a normal social age for free his life purpose included paying 1000s of $ to learn sexist predatory tactics in his late 20s and now all of his experience consists of what he learned from.doing that.

@DMT Elf no, where is that? He kicked me off the forum, so, nice he has a safe space to talk about me where I can't respond

@Devin imagine, before you were ever aware of leo,, someone telling you someday you would be scrambling to defend the statement "pedophilia is love"

@Devin you really want to stay on the leo train huh he's got his hooks in deep. So crazy to see.

Omg he said "pedophilia IS love" and "it was a net positive" experience