Jonas Long

Why do you think Jesus had to die for people sins?

You are also responsible for what you put out, as a teacher. That is where everything originates afterall. Words have power, you need to understand the power your words have. Responsibility goes both ways, but since the teacher speaks first, they hold primary responsibility

Whoever takes responsibility takes responsibility, that's all. I don't mean to say nobody should.

You didn't even have time to watch my whole video. Anyway, so thats a belief of yours now. Great. Has nothing to do with whether it's true or not, and if that's your big takeaway from leo, idk, I feel like it's not much

I hope you see you are pretty fucking annoying.

It's more like an immutable universal law above society

I am actually trying to be extremely patient by humoring you still, and I'm almost at the very end of my patience. I am not grasping at straws I am just telling you how I see it.

Here, if you really want to know my pov on this, i.made a video

No, that's just a societal belief in some cases, in truth they have equal responsibility

Totally different dynamic from the spiritual teacher/student

Yes, it goes both ways, but he assumed the superior position, like a parent, the person in that position will always be primarily responsible

Hence he is responsible. That's how it works.

He IS responsible, karmically imo, whether he acknowledges it or not, when you take on the role of spiritual teacher, you do assume responsibility to a degree to those who out their faith in you.

He has voluntarily assumed the position of the teacher/leader.

Yes. They are. My point was things with adults are COMPLEX with lots of factors. In the case of pedophilia, it is very simply ALWAYS harmful and NEVER love. The issues with actualized.org and it's followers are complex.

Great. Only nobody heads this. And it's obvious.

You don't think most of his followers see him that way? Dude. Idk why I keep responding to you. I don't see how you even make that deduction from this...the implications would be then, there are no masters....but he doesn't clearly say this, and a lot of people look at him like the next fuxking messiah. He calls himself god!

Again, "sure you should get therapy and this and that, BUT...ultimately that's not going to do anything for you and the only real way to get anywhere is psychedelics" that message is very very clearly the takeaway for a huge chunk of his followers and I do not see him correcting them when they have received this message.

No....he's not saying they're the only way for him, he's saying they are for anyone..

A healthy well adjusted person will.never ever in a million years be drawn to someone like leo.

Well, it is abundantly clear that that is in no way being heeded...if you think it is....what??? Have you SEEN the things his followers say??

Exactly. Constant double talk.

He STILL calls himself God, constantly. And yes, he even has disclaimers, they cover his ass legally. But people ignore them all the time! Especially young and impressionable people! He speaks out if both sides of his mouth constantly, making it challenging to point out something that is really truly problematic that he hasn't simultaneously given himself JUST enough room to wiggle out of it by doing some backtracking and damage control later on. The implications of the danger in what he says is clear as day. I think you are being really silly if you don't acknowledge that.

It's not necessarily about how long something physically stays in your system. The experience can be traumatic

Omfg. Yes and no. It's complicated. I'm not gonna keep going down this line of questioning with you, I've made my point plenty clear