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And ok he may pay lip service to doing them in that amount, BUT, if you reaaallly wanna go all the way and be God realized like him...every implication is you kinda gotta take them how he does. He is very good at double talk, don't get me wrong

Physically advancing on them.

Adult love CAN be selfish and result in hurt. They are completely and nuanced, we have to take them on a case by case basis. Molestation of a child is ONLY non consensual and harmful, always.

I don't feel the need to explain this to you

He never told people to do irresponsible amount of drugs? He never gaslit people into thinking they are wasting their life if they ignore his teachings? He never told young impressionable guys they should wait till a woman says "no" 3 times before they stop? What universe have I been living in that gave me that impression?

Most healthy people have the potential to love, yes

My position is pedophilia cannot be ANY KIND of love. At all. By any stretch, under any circumstances, with any caveats.

Owning up to his mistakes and admitting his errors to his followers instead of going away without a word of explanation

Well, unfortunately yeah that's the mentality of a lot of people, not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.

Yeah, honestly whatever man, I've reached the end of my patience trying to explain this to you. Reread what I said, or just keep thinking the way you do. I don't know you so, I don't really have to deal with you

That is just a different conversation. It's entirely different, more complex.

But you are talking about the damage HE caused, not the world how it is.

Pedophilia is delusion/sickness/pathology. That never equals love. Adult relationships do equal love that can be reciprocal. Pedophiliac love can never be reciprocal, but definition, can never be consensual. THAT is the key difference, and why the 2 can NEVER be compared. They do not belong in the same conversation.

If you are an adult in a relationship and you get hurt as a result, you are getting hurt a a result of a choice you made, to be in that relationship. The abused child has no choice. Pedophilia is an illness. Molestation is the result. An illness under no circumstances is real love. Adult relationships are tricky and difficult but there is absolutely NO comparing the 2. 1 is a sickness, acting upon which is a destructive and criminal act 100% of the time, the other is highly nuanced, and both parties are always responsible for themselves.

Thats exactly what he's doing if you read what he wrote. A child molester has no love for the child they are molesting, because they are indifferent to the harm they are causing. Indifference is the opposite of love. He is saying you have a double standard if you ever hurt someone in a relationship and don't think you are causing the same amount of harm as child molestation.

@Devin like having hurt someone you loved who you were in a consentual adult relationship with is no different from molesting a child. And calling people childish of they dont think about it this way. And constantly dangling the carrot of awakening(that he has) and which excuses any seemingly outlandish thing he might say because he says he has this, but you just need to take his word for it.

@Devin he is comparing normal adult relationships and the hurt they can cause to the hurt child abuse can cause like they are comparable. This is ridiculous. I don't care what twist you put on it, him says these things is absolutely ignorant and bewilderingly irresponsible with the following he has.

Yeah but then later he's saying it's just like adults in consentual relationships who hurt each other, like it's on the same level. It's not. Not even close. What's childish and toxic is Leo's way of "dealing with things" on his own, not "using people as an emotional tampon" thus truly belittling those who do talk about their feelings, which is totally healthy and necessary. That and his opinions of women. It really sounds like you drank the Kool aid and are making every excuse possible for him.

Leo is just getting off on being an edge lord now it seems...he's going on a whole racist tare rn on the forum...fuck I gotta stop going there

@DMT Elf do you like hr giger?

@DMT Elf dumb teenage emo shit if ya ask me

Ok, I know we basically all get it here already but look at this. He really doesn't understand the difference between consensual adult relationships that are complex and end up causing hurt for any variety of reasons, some of the time, vs child abuse that is 100% non consensual and only harmful and trauma inducing in a totally one sided way 100% of the time. How is he this fucked?

@DMT Elf lol I thought he tried to play it off like he was really successful with women, i haven't really watched one of his videos in its entirety in a long time though. Yeah the thing about worldviews and coming to your own conclusions is you still only really have the options you are presented with to pick from, so ultimately nothing is purely self derived, you didn't choose when/where you'd be born, your parents etc... so yeah, I always considered myself an independent thinker, but I can still only work with whatever data I'm given, I didn't create what options there are, that's how I see it anyway, I can't choose to paint with a color that doesn't already exist...etc

@DMT Elf of course it dramatically informs his world view since he never talked to women before he dropped all that money on it. So literally the entirety if his dating experience is directly informed by pickup. I didn't know that phrase was a red pill thing but it makes sense, it's fucking gross. Don't all our world views ultimately derived from elsewhere anyway? It's not like we come into life with fully formed views, they all come from whatever we're exposed to in life, right?

Right, and he's implying that people who do need help processing their emotions by talking with others are "using people as an emotional tampon"...that is so fucked. It's like he has more compassion for his abuser than he does other victims and people in general who feel the need to talk about their feelings.