Phil Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 If not, why not? If so… how? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omelette Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I would say yes and no. Yes - I'm hungry and don't know what to eat, and someone who knows me well prepares me a meal I love. I didn't know I would love to eat that right now until it was present, although I still knew that I enjoyed the food. No - I don't have the correct words to express it now... I want to say it is self evident that you know yourself more than anyone possibly ever could, just due to the communication feedback loop... anything expressed or spoken goes through someone else's layers of interpretation, they never know EXACTLY what you mean but can get the gist Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 No. You can't know in the first place. Someone is a thought. In this field of awareness i am One happy family, "someone" is a thought that if believed creates you and me 🙂. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 There are no others. Only one being. Quote Mention How do I love best now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loop Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 What?!? 😂 That is such non-sense. There isn’t a me that could know myself, & neither is there another that could know a me. Only Being. Quote Mention Ten thousand tears, One Belly Laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Yes. Some are more conscious and wise than I am. Some people know why I am suffering, why things are not working out for me and how I could be healed. Some people know what I don't know, what I'm ignorant about. They know that I have not yet understood something. Maybe because they know themselves and thus life and psyche better than I do. So they know what's going on within me and in my life, and how to fix it. Quote Mention I am the playful and ever-present Source, joyfully embracing every thought and emotion as part of my perfect, unfolding co-creative dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Their concept, or what they see of you, is not really you, and never can be you, and believing that your own thought(s) of what they think is a true reflection or limitation of you, feels off. If you are believing a concept of yourself, mistaking it for you, sometimes others can readily see things about you will not allow yourself to see in your need to identify with this concept. Believe = identify. It seems that others can do this simply because... they do not identify as you and are often more plainly observing. When we resist parts of ourselves we reflect them and appear as them, like colors are the reflection of the wavelength of light rejected, not the reflection of the colors absorbed. You are beyond and unaffected by all concepts. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 What if I am knowing appearing as a multiplicity of experiences of thought, perception & sensation. And what if one of the experiences of thought, perception and sensation that I am appearing as, is not knowing, that I am, knowing, appearing. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Phil that would still be knowing appearing as not knowing, it'd be a hell of a dream I guess. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Orb Would said not knowing of experience be a thought, perception, or sensation? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Phil I think it would be a thought and perception. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 39 minutes ago, Orb said: @Phil I think it would be a thought and perception. How many fingers am I holding up? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Phil zero 🤔 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Orb 9 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 @Phil 😶 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 @Orb If knowing is appearing as not knowing, how is there knowing of not knowing? Such as knowing, the not knowing (of how many fingers). Was that direct experience of not knowing, which was known to be experienced, a thought or perception? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) @Phil thought Edited October 4, 2022 by Orb Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 @Orb When there was knowing of not knowing (how many fingers) was there the knowing of (actually) not knowing… of was there a thought about not knowing? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) @Phil no, there just weren't any fingers. Oh sorry, misunderstood the question, there was a thought about not knowing after there was the experience of no fingers. Edited October 4, 2022 by Orb Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 @Orb Seems a pinch solipsistic, but ok. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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