Can Someone Know You Better Than You Know Yourself?

[Phil]

If not, why not? 

If so… how? 

[Omelette]

I would say yes and no.

 

Yes - 

I'm hungry and don't know what to eat, and someone who knows me well prepares me a meal I love. I didn't know I would love to eat that right now until it was present, although I still knew that I enjoyed the food.

 

No -

I don't have the correct words to express it now... I want to say it is self evident that you know yourself more than anyone possibly ever could, just due to the communication feedback loop... anything expressed or spoken goes through someone else's layers of interpretation, they never know EXACTLY what you mean but can get the gist 

[Orb]

No.

 

You can't know in the first place. 

 

Someone is a thought. 

 

In this field of awareness i am One happy family, "someone" is a thought that if believed creates you and me 🙂.

 

 

[Serenity]

There are no others. Only one being.

[Loop]

What?!? 

😂

 

That is such non-sense. 

There isn’t a me that could know myself, & neither is there another that could know a me.

Only Being. 

[Blessed2]

Yes. Some are more conscious and wise than I am. Some people know why I am suffering, why things are not working out for me and how I could be healed.

 

Some people know what I don't know, what I'm ignorant about. They know that I have not yet understood something.

 

Maybe because they know themselves and thus life and psyche better than I do. So they know what's going on within me and in my life, and how to fix it.

[Mandy]

Their concept, or what they see of you, is not really you, and never can be you, and believing that your own thought(s) of what they think is a true reflection or limitation of you, feels off. 

 

If you are believing a concept of yourself, mistaking it for you, sometimes others can readily see things about you will not allow yourself to see in your need to identify with this concept. Believe = identify. It seems that others can do this simply because... they do not identify as you and are often more plainly observing. When we resist parts of ourselves we reflect them and appear as them, like colors are the reflection of the wavelength of light rejected, not the reflection of the colors absorbed. 

 

You are beyond and unaffected by all concepts. 

[Phil]

What if I am knowing appearing as a multiplicity of experiences of thought, perception & sensation. 

And what if one of the experiences of thought, perception and sensation that I am appearing as, is not knowing, that I am, knowing, appearing.

 

[Orb]

@Phil that would still be knowing appearing as not knowing, it'd be a hell of a dream I guess. 

[Phil]

@Orb

Would said not knowing of experience be a thought, perception, or sensation? 

[Orb]

@Phil I think it would be a thought and perception.

[Phil]

39 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Phil I think it would be a thought and perception.

How many fingers am I holding up?

[Orb]

@Phil zero 🤔

[Phil]

@Orb

9

[Orb]

@Phil 😶

[Phil]

@Orb

If knowing is appearing as not knowing, how is there knowing of not knowing?

Such as knowing, the not knowing (of how many fingers). 

Was that direct experience of not knowing, which was known to be experienced, a thought or perception? 

[Orb]

@Phil thought

Edited October 4, 2022 by Orb

[Phil]

@Orb

When there was knowing of not knowing (how many fingers) was there the knowing of (actually) not knowing… of was there a thought about not knowing? 

[Orb]

@Phil no, there just weren't any fingers.

 

Oh sorry, misunderstood the question, there was a thought about not knowing after there was the experience of no fingers.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Orb

[Phil]

@Orb

Seems a pinch solipsistic, but ok.