Expecting

[Mandy]

@BlendingInfinite Can you tell us about a time that an expectation caused suffering for you? 

[BlendingInfinite]

19 hours ago, Mandy said:

@BlendingInfinite Can you tell us about a time that an expectation caused suffering for you? 

You are projecting it onto me.

 

The question was not about me at all.

 

For everybody there was a time an expectation caused suffering.

[BlendingInfinite]

I'm starting to find this borderline because instead of addressing my question, they are now trying to underpin my person.

 

Just because it is thought that one would be in the right although it is not about that at all. It is simply a matter of seeing what is true and what is not.

 

And if there are inconsistencies in the teaching then the whole thing may not be true. But that doesn't matter, it is obviously only about your ego, your convictions, etc..

[BlendingInfinite]

It is stupid now to say "there is no person", because that would simply be an excuse not to care about the question itself, but to conjecture things that supposedly have to do with "me".

[BlendingInfinite]

Please get off your steed of presumption and moral superiority and do what any "compassionate" person would do - act in the interest of the other, with equanimity and humility or modesty especially from the perspective of not knowing - you can't know why I'm asking this, what the reason is, etc. But you can know what I am asking, in the sense that I have asked it. And now please don't twist the word "knowledge".

 

That was of course an invitation to projections, because if someone is not immediately friendly then it is because he feels triggered and that you yourself would then be right. That makes me angry and not the other topic. This naive and presumptuous behavior.

 

Now you would think "he wants to be right", this is the mind game you playing - deflecting instead of being humble. I was humble all the time and still am - but at a certain point there is a border crossed.

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by BlendingInfinite

[BlendingInfinite]

The question is
"How does Abraham Hicks' model that says one should 'think oneself into the situation in the future' fit with Phil's teaching?"

Abraham Hicks is based on "Think and grow rich" and "Seth" as they themselves meant. And moreover they say that one should 'know' the 'future' and that with 'believe' of 'thought'. And this is what I have reproduced verbatim and can be looked up. If one does not want to realize it, then of course not.

 

Phil means now, however, that thoughts believe, suffer is. Now naive people think that Abraham Hicks does not mean to believe thoughts, but it is about the erzeugen feeling.

 

Of course, this is nonsense, because once you believe thoughts, you also attract that you believe other thoughts. And either way, that means suffering, because you don't see reality as it is. But they talk themselves pretty, although that is not necessary.

 

Now don't hang myself on me saying "Phil's teaching". You know what I mean.

Edited June 25, 2022 by BlendingInfinite

[Phil]

On 6/24/2022 at 9:30 AM, BlendingInfinite said:

On 6/24/2022 at 8:14 AM, Phil said:

What if how you feel is put ‘above’ what you believe?

 

On 6/24/2022 at 9:30 AM, BlendingInfinite said:

Then you could say hitler saved jews.

How does that thought feel? 

On 6/24/2022 at 9:30 AM, BlendingInfinite said:

Language does transfer insights, isn’t that true🤔Abraham hicks did not transfer the insights you want to point to. 

All insight arises of, and is - you. For “the separate self”, there is “my” insights, or the objectification of Self as ‘things’… “insights”. Like understanding, the word is quite clear in & of itself.  The emotion in regard to the thoughts about Abe, is blame. This is what “Abe” is pointing out, for you.
Worry feels better than blame, admittance of doubt feels better than worry. 

On 6/24/2022 at 9:30 AM, BlendingInfinite said:

 

Beliebing sounds I interpret something into the said beyond what is communicated by Abraham hicks not you. It is about Abraham hicks. You saying now i believe is like dismissing that using assumptions. 

What’s being dismissed is what Abe’s saying, which is that all that’s really relevant is how you feel. 

When how you feel is above being right, what Abe’s saying, aka The Message, is heard. 

Also, when how one feels is priority to what one thinks, one can reliably expect to feel, good. 

[BlendingInfinite]

6 hours ago, Phil said:

What’s being dismissed is what Abe’s saying, which is that all that’s really relevant is how you feel. 

When how you feel is above being right, what Abe’s saying, aka The Message, is heard. 

Also, when how one feels is priority to what one thinks, one can reliably expect to feel, good. 

Why do you want to be right then?

 

I got that Abes is saying put feeling first. But most of the people don't understand that.

There are a lot of people running around who believe Abe or Rhonda Byrne and then misunderstand, for example, what Abe means by selfish. These are the same people who believe thought stories and are invited to do so by Abe's language.

That's not a belief of mine, you see that very often. Our society is already very fragile with e.g. sexually confused transpersons or feminism. There is no need for a bunch of narcissists who only focus on themselves and that also consciously at the expense of others.

[BlendingInfinite]

It seems to me that you take it for granted to be right and think that everything I write is bs. Without even considering the possibility that it is not so.

I'm tired of it, because I've seen it happen a lot. People want to be right and don't give a shit about trying to understand the other person in terms of what they are saying.

[BlendingInfinite]

Of course people misunderstand e.g. Abe, because they are cherry picking what they want to hear. This is not unocmmon in spirituality.

 

This is why the 'teaching' must be consistent, in a way that it leaves no possibility open to be misunderstood. Even then, it would be misunderstood. But it would be less probable and a responsible way of delivery.

[BlendingInfinite]

And you cannot say 'believe thought stories, but put feeling first'.

 

This is contraditory and the reason why you want to be right and deflect it on me.

 

And all your advice you have written above is clear to me and was before. Currently, it is not about me but the subject.

Edited June 25, 2022 by BlendingInfinite

[fopylo]

3 minutes ago, BlendingInfinite said:

'believe thought stories, but put feeling first'.

who says that?

[Mandy]

On 6/25/2022 at 8:56 AM, BlendingInfinite said:

You are projecting it onto me.

 

The question was not about me at all.

 

For everybody there was a time an expectation caused suffering.

Of course there was, I wasn't suggesting anything else, or anything personal. What I discovered for myself was that when my expectation resulted in feeling disappointment, that the expectation was mostly unconscious, it was not something I gave conscious creative thought to. 

[Phil]

16 hours ago, BlendingInfinite said:

Why do you want to be right then?

About what? 

[BlendingInfinite]

20 hours ago, Phil said:

About what? 

Deflection. At the cost of others, just to maintain your belief system

[Phil]

11 minutes ago, BlendingInfinite said:

Deflection. At the cost of others, just to maintain your belief system

Which is…? 

 

[BlendingInfinite]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

Which is…? 

 

The way you communicate is extremly abusive. You already know that this upsets me, I just want and answer and you now play the usual interrogation game to deflect and distract from it.

Edited June 27, 2022 by BlendingInfinite

[Phil]

@BlendingInfinite

I’m responding to your thread and accusations. 

[BlendingInfinite]

@PhilNow it is about you being accused.

[Alexander]

@BlendingInfinite @BlendingInfiniteLove is always the answer.Chill.