Blessed2 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Spirituality which doesn't impose impossible tasks on you. I know, I know, it's crazy. Blasphemy? Arrogance! Why are you not letting go attachments? Just stop! Sit down for a minute and just stop all attachment. Oh, you can't? Try again tomorrow. Maybe magically something changes and suddenly you can. Maybe after two years you can let go. Or maybe six years. Or ten. You just have to wait. A bit like when you take cough medicine. You keep taking it every day for five years and expect it to start working at some point. It's just stupid of you to expect for it to do it's job on day one. In fact, it's your fault that you haven't stopped coughing yet. Just stop coughing, dumbass. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Which Spirituality has imposed anything on you other than you doing it to yourself? I didn't get you. Nobody ever told you or tells you anything. Everyone has their path. If you have to follow something specific then it's no different than religion. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 59 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: Spirituality which doesn't impose impossible tasks on you. I know, I know, it's crazy. Blasphemy? Arrogance! Why are you not letting go attachments? Just stop! Sit down for a minute and just stop all attachment. Oh, you can't? Try again tomorrow. Maybe magically something changes and suddenly you can. Maybe after two years you can let go. Or maybe six years. Or ten. You just have to wait. A bit like when you take cough medicine. You keep taking it every day for five years and expect it to start working at some point. It's just stupid of you to expect for it to do it's job on day one. In fact, it's your fault that you haven't stopped coughing yet. Just stop coughing, dumbass. You okay? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 40 minutes ago, Reena said: Which Spirituality has imposed anything on you other than you doing it to yourself? Obviously no outside source has imposed. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, Orb said: You okay? Better than for a long time if ever, actually. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 If a medicine is functional, it's functional. It's taken and the cough is gone today. That's what medicine is. That's what it's for. If you could let go attachments, you would have already done that. Attachments would be gone now. "Just stop drinking" isn't the medicine for an alcoholic. Alcoholism means that you can't just stop drinking. If you could stop drinking, you would have already done that. Drinking would be gone now. Similarly "stop aversion" or "acknowledge emotions" is not the medicine, because the very implication in that suggestion is that aversion is happening and emotions are not acknowledged. Why is aversion happening and emotions are not being acknowledged? Wouldn't a functional medicine make it so that aversion and not ackowledging emotions would be no more? Not coughing is not the medicine for cough. It's health. The medicine is what ends coughing. Give me medicine, don't just describe health. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reena Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 @Blessed2 spirituality is not medicine. Quote Mention So basically I'm an autistic INFJ BPD sigma Pisces female with anger and CPTSD issues. Wow wow. My plate looks full. I Couldn't have been weirder than that. Now I get why I'm so idiosyncratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 20 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: If a medicine is functional, it's functional. It's taken and the cough is gone today. That's what medicine is. That's what it's for. If you could let go attachments, you would have already done that. Attachments would be gone now. "Just stop drinking" isn't the medicine for an alcoholic. Alcoholism means that you can't just stop drinking. If you could stop drinking, you would have already done that. Drinking would be gone now. Similarly "stop aversion" or "acknowledge emotions" is not the medicine, because the very implication in that suggestion is that aversion is happening and emotions are not acknowledged. Why is aversion happening and emotions are not being acknowledged? Wouldn't a functional medicine make it so that aversion and not ackowledging emotions would be no more? Not coughing is not the medicine for cough. It's health. The medicine is what ends coughing. Give me medicine, don't just describe health. The medicine is feeling whatever arises and if any resistance arises, feel it too. More and more it becomes clearer that Love is feeling. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 @Blessed2 you're the medicine asking us to give you medicine, of course it's gonna be a frustrating situation lol. overall, the healing youre seeking is unfolding already, it's far beyond you, let it take over fully. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) Why can't you or I let go of attachments? Recently I’ve seen an end run around problems like this by realizing that the Self doesn’t attach or detach. I don’t know why this helps me but it has. It sunk in for me and changed the way I think about the relation between the Self and the ego. I realized a lot more things said are pointers for the ego to wake up to the Self. But once the Self has been realized, it all just seems to die on the vine. There is nothing to detach from. What or who would be doing the attaching or detaching? I answered a post by @James123 that raised a similar issue to this. I think the presumption is that somehow the ego needs to do something to cause or force the existence of the Self or that the Self is somehow creating ego — but if ego doesn’t exist that could not be the case. This stuff is very tricky because there’s layers of sneaky ways the ego factors in. The Seif is not a results seeker. What or who is letting go? Edited May 10 by Joseph Maynor Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Orb said: The medicine is feeling whatever arises and if any resistance arises, feel it too. That's already the case. It's like saying "be yourself" or "be in the moment". I am already myself and I can't be out of the moment. I am already feeling whatever arises. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Spirituality which doesn't impose impossible tasks on you. That rad is already the case. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: That's already the case. It's like saying "be yourself" or "be in the moment". I am already myself and I can't be out of the moment. I am already feeling whatever arises. Yes. But actually do it though 😅🙏. FEEL. Feel everything. Like rn feel the tip of your toes. There that's it. That's literally Love. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: That's already the case. It's like saying "be yourself" or "be in the moment". I am already myself and I can't be out of the moment. I am already feeling whatever arises. Also, just to be clear, Love is what is Feeling (aka: Being) the whole universe. Love is not.....a feeling. If you're a baby crying and your mom/dad embraces you suddenly the emotion is still there but you feel better, you feel like there's something bigger than you that is allowing your emotion to be there and is simultaneously supporting/loving the emotion. Unconditional Love IS that, just infinite 😁 Whatever you feel, it's like you're cradling it like a baby and loving it. Edited May 9 by Orb Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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