WhiteOwl Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 I notice a tendency to not feel very compassionate when hearing about others suffering. Thought of being a bit superior arises. Thought that they should know, or they should do things differently. Does compassion arise naturally without beliefs in the way? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: I notice a tendency to not feel very compassionate when hearing about others suffering. Thought of being a bit superior arises. Thought that they should know, or they should do things differently. Does compassion arise naturally without beliefs in the way? Why should you feel compassion for anyone? Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Orb said: Why should you feel compassion for anyone? Should is not necessary, but because it feels good, and you can connect with the person. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 minutes ago, WhiteOwl said: Should is not necessary, but because it feels good, and you can connect with the person. Why is not feeling compassion for someone else's suffering a problem or concern? Or maybe your expression of compassion is unique and different from the flowery/warm interpretation shared in society. Compassion can be just listening and letting the person figure it out for themself or giving some pointers. Unconditional love isn't always flowery or "gushy". Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, WhiteOwl said: I notice a tendency to not feel very compassionate when hearing about others suffering. Thought of being a bit superior arises. Thought that they should know, or they should do things differently. Does compassion arise naturally without beliefs in the way? Yes. Compassion fills in as the belief in others is dispelled. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Can you describe an example or two of this? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 52 minutes ago, Mandy said: Can you describe an example or two of this? I was talking with someone random yesterday at a club and he was expressing to me and someone else that he didn't feel so good for some time. I just didn't really feel anything for him. Maybe thats fine. I don't want to brush peoples things off. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Phil said: Yes. Compassion fills in as the belief in others is dispelled. I don't experience compassion very much and I don't see anything wrong with it. Like 2 days ago my mom was super upset about something and I didn't feel any pity or sadness or anything. Of course if I see someone suffering physically or in DEEP distress, there may be a response to soothe them, like a universal immune system. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 @Orb Ime pity is more of a distancing interpretation via superiority & sadness is how a reason for not being happiness feels to happiness. Compassion seems more along the lines of genuine empathy, kindness and sincere relating. More deeply, compassion is that there is no actual difference. Then there’s the deepest compassion, which seems more active, free & inherently exciting… loving and not caring much about thoughts. That the main point is others is one interpretation. Another is what pity & sadness not resonating says about the true nature, as the main point. Putting the getting out of the quicksand before the lending a hand to help someone out. Alignment and then. The discord clarifies that’s not actually how you feel, it’s how an interpretation feels to you. Compassion wise, it seems we’re all in that same boat as far as how interpretations, beliefs, conditioning & emotions feel. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, WhiteOwl said: I was talking with someone random yesterday at a club and he was expressing to me and someone else that he didn't feel so good for some time. I just didn't really feel anything for him. Maybe thats fine. I don't want to brush peoples things off. You didn't feel anything for him, nothing arose as to encouragement, you felt superior? More description. I want vivid description. 😂 Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Mandy said: You didn't feel anything for him, nothing arose as to encouragement, you felt superior? More description. I want vivid description. 😂 I did want to help and encourage him of course. I tried. Also didn't feel superior in that moment. Maybe i think i should feel some discord when feeling into people, which wouldn't make sense actually. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 39 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb Ime pity is more of a distancing interpretation via superiority & sadness is how a reason for not being happiness feels to happiness. Compassion seems more along the lines of genuine empathy, kindness and sincere relating. More deeply, compassion is that there is no actual difference. Then there’s the deepest compassion, which seems more active, free & inherently exciting… loving and not caring much about thoughts. That the main point is others is one interpretation. Another is what pity & sadness not resonating says about the true nature, as the main point. Putting the getting out of the quicksand before the lending a hand to help someone out. Alignment and then. The discord clarifies that’s not actually how you feel, it’s how an interpretation feels to you. Compassion wise, it seems we’re all in that same boat as far as how interpretations, beliefs, conditioning & emotions feel. Hm, I guess fundamentally I think trying to be compassionate or acting compassionate is horrific to put it dramatically. I was talking to a guy who's been through a lot, and I felt like I was bonding with him and felt compassion. But I don't see it as a goal to be a compassionate self or anything like that. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 15 hours ago, WhiteOwl said: I did want to help and encourage him of course. I tried. Also didn't feel superior in that moment. Maybe i think i should feel some discord when feeling into people, which wouldn't make sense actually. I'm not sure why this is the example you made the generalization of your OP about, doesn't seem to fit Or is it that you're uncomfortable sharing on the forum because of what we might think? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 16 hours ago, Orb said: Hm, I guess fundamentally I think trying to be compassionate or acting compassionate is horrific to put it dramatically. Yeah. Feels… discordant / contrived? 16 hours ago, Orb said: I was talking to a guy who's been through a lot, and I felt like I was bonding with him and felt compassion. But I don't see it as a goal to be a compassionate self or anything like that. The separate self of thought is a slippery sneaky slope. 😅 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Phil said: Yeah. Feels… discordant / contrived? The separate self of thought is a slippery sneaky slope. 😅 Yes, feels contrived. I guess right now I'm diving into complete dispassion in order to "know" what it tastes like, it's part of wisdom. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 @Phil I've met peeps who go "by the book" when it comes to being a compassionate self, and its very off fundamentally. Like at any moment the house of cards will collapse. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blessed2 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Maybe compassion is just what uncovers when projection goes. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 On 3/31/2024 at 2:39 PM, Mandy said: I'm not sure why this is the example you made the generalization of your OP about, doesn't seem to fit Or is it that you're uncomfortable sharing on the forum because of what we might think? It was just one example that came to mind that was recent, the thread was about other situations also, i thought it was a bit similar. I am surely not uncomfortable sharing here at all, i would say obviously lol. I am not completely clear what i am asking though. Will get back if it gets Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 How do you feel towards your own suffering? Are you compassionate with yourself? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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