Phil Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 And how is ignorance different from knowing and or understanding? Let’s discuss. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 @Phil easy question . Ignorance is simply a lack of knowing about something. An Ignorant person is Someone who refuses to question their preconceptions. knowing and understanding are certainly possible. For example you understand how to drive your car. But surely you don't understand how it works from the inside (the mechanism behind which the car works ). understanding and Ignorance can overlap when there is unwillingness to learn. Like Something you don't know ,..yet you feel confident to ramble about it. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, Someone here said: Ignorance is simply a lack of knowing about something. Who or what is lacking, and is this who or what directly experienced or an assumption? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 7 minutes ago, Phil said: Who or what is lacking, and is this who or what directly experienced or an assumption? It's directly experienced and it's YOU who's lacking. I've spent years reading and researching nondual material yet I was never convinced of the Buddhist concept of no self. I'm still not sure why it's a common teaching in spirituality today that is directed to western audiences that have that core teaching that the "you " or the self is illusory . Perhaps it's a lack of understanding from my part but I certainly know that I exist. My view is simply that There is no 'self' separate from the body or inside the body.. But rather its an emergent phenomenon of the body. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here What does lack look like? What size is lack? What shape, what color? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Phil said: @Someone here What does lack look like? What size is lack? What shape, what color? Sounds like a question for a philosopher🙂 If you earn a certain amount of money 💰..then you lose it by some theif...that's what lack is . Its silly to ask about its physical attributes because it's not a physical object. It's an abstract thing . Also.. how to tell the difference between thoughts and perception(becauseI know you are alluding to )? situation: (A) "I perceive my thoughts and feelings", versus (B) "I am my thoughts and feelings"? What scientific experiment could one do to separate these two possibilities? The self doesn't exist inside the body as a separate entity. Rather it's like a software running on a hardware. And lack doesn't exist as a physical object. But as an abstract thing Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Thinking you know or understand something, but being wrong, and not realizing that you’re wrong. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here Is an abstract thing a thing? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 7 minutes ago, Phil said: @Someone here Is an abstract thing a thing? Dude..Do you want a healthy fruitful discussion or do you want to play with words endlessly? Of course its a thing .what is your definition or a thing ? It can't be defined of course because the definition itself is s thing . Anything Is a thing . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here I’m not asking if lack can be defined. I’m asking… What does lack look like? What size is lack? What shape, what color? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 @Phil it has none . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here So there is the thought that there is lack, but lack is never actually seen (‘in’ perception), yes? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Phil said: @Someone here So there is the thought that there is lack, but lack is never actually seen (‘in’ perception), yes? Not quite . The thought "lack " labels perception. So if you are in poverty.. The thought lack arises corresponding to your lived situation. If you are wealthy ..then that thought doesn't arise . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 10 minutes ago, Someone here said: If you are wealthy ..then that thought doesn't arise . HA!! I beg to differ. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here So lack is seen? What does lack look like? What size is lack? What shape, what color? ”Not quite” or, no? Notice the shifting… 4 hours ago, Someone here said: Ignorance is simply a lack of knowing about something From knowing to money. Let’s not, as you say, play word games. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 21 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: HA!! I beg to differ. If you are wealthy ..do you think of any lack? (I'm talking about material lack ). Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 @Phil im done here . You keep me dizzy with your endless picking on words and repetitive simple answerable questions. I already gave you the answer . No point in continuing. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 @Someone here No worries, much love. 🙏 Feel free anytime to quote what you’re referring to. Maybe there’s a misunderstanding. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Elf Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Someone here said: If you are wealthy ..do you think of any lack? (I'm talking about material lack ). I wasn't referring to myself. I'm definitely not wealthy. But my parents have been fighting with their siblings over inheritance money and they all already own multiple houses, sooo... They're clearly experiencing both wealth and lack. I seems like with money, people never think they have enough. Edited May 3 by DMT Elf Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I don't know. Might be in some connection to suffering. Quote Mention Everyone is waiting for eternity but the Shaman asks: "how about today?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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