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Shame is a thought.      

Guilt is an emotion

 

 

 

Shame is a thought - about a self - that does not exist. 

Guilt is an emotion - felt by - the self which is existence

 

 

 

Shame is only the thought; ‘shame’. 

Guilt is not only the thought, ‘guilt’. 

 

 

 

Shame is not an emotion. 

Guilt is an emotion. 

 

 

 

Expression of shame is expression of a concept, about a non-existent self. 

Expression of guilt is expression of an emotion, which is felt

 

 

 

 

 

Shame is a thought loop;

A thought about a non-existent self…

and…

Shame, shaming, shamed, ashamed or shameful.

 

 

 

 

Emotional expression is the dispelling of self referential beliefs. 

Of thought loops.

Of self deception.

Of suffering. 

Of discord.

 

Self is infinite love. 

Infinite can not know finite. 

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It seems to me that...

 

I experience an emotion I would call, shame, when there is a thought about a self who would be or do something shameful... Something that other selves would judge.

 

Whereas guilt, is also an emotion I would experience, when there is a thought about a self, who does or chooses something wrong.

 

If I'd poop in my pants in public, I would (I assume) experience an emotion shame (not guilt) about the thought "I just pooped in my pants and these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting."

 

Guilt, however, I would experience (I assume) if I would throw that poop at other people, have the thought "I am a doer throwing poop at people and it is a wrong thing to do."

 

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If anything... I would say guilt is a thought, and shame is an emotion.

 

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2 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

If I'd poop in my pants in public, I would (I assume) experience an emotion shame (not guilt) about the thought "I just pooped in my pants and these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting."


Diarrhea? 

 

It seems like you experience shame as shame is the fundamental repression mechanism, keeping Feeling veiled by thought. 
The guilt is response to feeling the thought “…these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting”. Which is the shame, which is the belief of judgement, Faith/ Love is the Ball, look left look right, do you see any mind here? Feeling Feeling ends darkness & light.

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I have taken part in 3 Ayahuasca ceremonies, all with the intent to address the sense of shame I had within me.

 

I've been through a lot of purging through the plant's guidance and as of now, it seems like many fear based thoughts and emotions of being not enough and unworthy have been released.

 

It's too early to tell if the change is permanent, or if it will come back out of the woodwork at some point when triggered, but so far it's almost like having a 'new sense of self' to get acclimated to. I wouldn't say the shame has totally disappeared, but I experience little  to no form of violent self-referential thoughts and it seems like it has also made me less prone to think negative stuff about 'others' too. As above so below, as within so without!

 

Also, now other kind of emotions are popping up to the surface.  I think now the fear I feel is more directed at the 'outside world' than before.

 

I would recommend Ayahuasca for clearing up deeply rooted shame. The plant showed me the origin of it and in my case it was a very early wound that kept festering. Dislodging big portion of it was difficult, hence the very welcomed help of the plant.

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“Know yourself as nothing; feel yourself as everything.” - Rupert Spira

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17 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

If I'd poop in my pants in public, I would (I assume) experience an emotion shame (not guilt) about the thought "I just pooped in my pants and these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting."

Are there ‘thinkers’? 

 

17 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

Guilt, however, I would experience (I assume) if I would throw that poop at other people, have the thought "I am a doer throwing poop at people and it is a wrong thing to do."

And ‘doers’?

 

 

Shame is a thought - about a self - that does not exist. 

 

Might be a little ‘dot connecting’…

They can be pretty damn harsh an brutal.

 

Maybe in both cases ‘they’ is really, some thoughts. 

 

And maybe Reiki is without a ‘catch’. 

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6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Shame is a thought - about a self - that does not exist. 

Is it correct to assume shame is a self-concept that triggers diverse emotions, such as fear, disgust, and unworthiness?

 

Because there are definitely emotions generated by shame, even if it is a concept about a non existential self.

 

 

 

“Know yourself as nothing; feel yourself as everything.” - Rupert Spira

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41 minutes ago, Serenity said:

Is it correct to assume shame is a self-concept that triggers diverse emotions, such as fear, disgust, and unworthiness?

It’s possible shame has already been assumed to be guidance felt / emotion, therein overlooking the guidance felt / emotion all along, by believing shame is what’s felt… missing shame it what’s thought. 

Similarly, ‘correct’ and or ‘disgust’. ‘Those’ combined with ‘shame’ can spin justification & rationalization and projection. 

And really, if carried out… “fear” and “unworthiness” as well. 

 

41 minutes ago, Serenity said:

Because there are definitely emotions generated by shame, even if it is a concept about a non existential self.

That’s kinda the point. Might say especially because shame is only conceptual. 

Being the body (appearance) vs am only the body (separate / identity). 

‘Ultimately’, which is of course This, awareness doesn’t actually know a body, “concepts”, etc. 

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18 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

I don't follow.

 

It seems to me that...

 

I experience an emotion I would call, shame, when there is a thought about a self who would be or do something shameful... Something that other selves would judge.

 

Whereas guilt, is also an emotion I would experience, when there is a thought about a self, who does or chooses something wrong.

 

If I'd poop in my pants in public, I would (I assume) experience an emotion shame (not guilt) about the thought "I just pooped in my pants and these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting."

 

Guilt, however, I would experience (I assume) if I would throw that poop at other people, have the thought "I am a doer throwing poop at people and it is a wrong thing to do."

 

🤔

 

If anything... I would say guilt is a thought, and shame is an emotion.

The difference is admitted past intention. In guilt you intended and assume that you had a choice, in shame you did not, you assume you were just the victim of circumstance. Both are dualities of the separate self and lead to fear of the world and the weight of assumed personal responsibility as an excuse to mentally berate ourselves and others. Intention only ever is an option now though. People are often afraid of getting old because they lose their "dignity" but maybe most of our dignity is just a bunch of fear and real dignity can't be lost. 

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53 minutes ago, Phil said:

It’s possible shame has already been assumed to be guidance felt / emotion, therein overlooking the guidance felt / emotion all along, by believing shame is what’s felt… missing shame it what’s thought. 

Similarly, ‘correct’ and or ‘disgust’. ‘Those’ combined with ‘shame’ can spin justification & rationalization and projection. 

And really, if carried out… “fear” and “unworthiness” as well. 

 

That’s kinda the point. Might say especially because shame is only conceptual. 

Being the body (appearance) vs am only the body (separate / identity). 

‘Ultimately’, which is of course This, awareness doesn’t actually know a body, “concepts”, etc. 

Will meditate on that. 🙂

 

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“Know yourself as nothing; feel yourself as everything.” - Rupert Spira

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On 1/15/2023 at 1:00 PM, Blessed2 said:

I don't follow.

 

It seems to me that...

 

I experience an emotion I would call, shame, when there is a thought about a self who would be or do something shameful... Something that other selves would judge.

 

Whereas guilt, is also an emotion I would experience, when there is a thought about a self, who does or chooses something wrong.

 

If I'd poop in my pants in public, I would (I assume) experience an emotion shame (not guilt) about the thought "I just pooped in my pants and these people notice it, they must think I am disgusting."

 

Guilt, however, I would experience (I assume) if I would throw that poop at other people, have the thought "I am a doer throwing poop at people and it is a wrong thing to do."

 

🤔

 

If anything... I would say guilt is a thought, and shame is an emotion.

shame and guilt are imposed by social consensus along with blaming others for your own decisions of playing a role in reality or honestly adapting to the moment your body is never the same results twice all the time you have living as reproductively here proportionately living now.

 

Equal time doesn't keep one equally balanced as proportionately here. civil behavior isn't civic duty to idealism. Honesty doesn't serve patriotism to noble ideas that deflect from understanding evolving as displaced equally here.

 

ity differences change interpretations of living at the same time being separate ancestors here.   Intellectual sides are the total sum of everything existing simultaneosuly separate entities at the same time.  Expanding details vs contracting results.

 

Expanding details move perpendicular to one another as contracting results go getween the 6 degrees of separation returning in 8 corners of open ended changes arriving net as the whole.  Cycles within cycles, perpetual balancing limits perpetual motion naturally.

Going to see if I can bring two 4 dimensional graphs I made up to explain sight.  spacer.png Left is the philosophy of thinking outside a box with 8 corners and 6 sides.  The right figure collapses the external 8 corners to center balance, this is the inorganic universal 6 degrees of separation relative to one's point of displacement.  inorganically it is the star of this solar system in the 7th center location and from inside out there are 8 separate directions to 8 planets of this solar system that changes every couple of generations by science theories is Pluto a planet or not.

 

the right image organical ancestral progression with great great grandchild arriving center mass after 8 great grandparentsm 4 grandparents, two parenting each addition to the species since inception of that form of life [present native to the atmosphere of its origin.  The right figure is a brain thinking, the left is a mind philosophying life cannot be limited to eternally separed now.

 

The framework of human original sin where ideas anything else is possible replaces actual understanding of living proportionately here. Compounding human err never corrected yet.

 

This is my 5 generation chart spacer.png added to the previous one is 4 parallel vertical axses to center mom and dad deliving each great great grandchild to each species in the food chain native to any atmosphere universally present.  16 great great grandparents positioning 8 great grandparents leveled out by 4 grandparents of the two parenting next generation already here one at a time mutually evolving as eternally separated in plain sight.

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17 minutes ago, Phil said:

Shame busting “short cut”:

How many selves am I talking about? At least 2.

How many are in direct experience? None. 

 

An addicted self will never write out & inspect thoughts on the back of a dreamboard. 

It isn’t possible. 

Try as ye might. 

I image 8 billion reproductive soles experience the same requirements as I do adapting to the moment from their own time sharing space in this atmosphere since conceived as I entered being part of the whole.

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