Joseph Maynor

Leo Gura surprisingly omits mentioning casinos in his new scams video despite living in Las Vegas for several years now. We often don't see the scams that are right in front of our eyes. I love Las Vegas and visit often, but I also know what's what with how Las Vegas properties make their money. And I don't gamble, but I still enjoy the properties and know almost all of them well -- on and off the Strip and in and out of downtown. Vegas is nuts and I love it -- but I experience it on my own terms! What's wierd though is when people are there you can bond with "the other" in a way you can't do in other places. (Some) people are so open there because they're happy. There's also the worst of the worst in Las Vegas too -- people that are just way out of control. But even those people are easy to navigate because you're in freaking Vegas! It's an adult wonderland.

I think concealment of identity to such a strong degree is one of the major cons of online forums from a relationship building perspective, if you're actually trying to do relationship building work within this technology. If you want relationships without identity, that's not ideal -- that's like starting off on the wrong foot. I'm not dismissing this mode of communication; I would just say make sure it's not your only source of social engagement and understand its limitations. I enjoy this community and I wish it well. But I also look at it like -- if you don't even want to tell me your name (either implicitly or expressly) or use your real photo, then why am I still talking to you? And I still do talk (sometimes), but it doesn't sit well with me because it's too abstract. As time passes, I think this online forum technology will build back in many features of "the personal" with enhanced security technology and reputation tracking technology. I'm making a video on this so it's best not to derail this thread by asking me lots of questions about this here. It doesn't make me feel good at all to use a fake identity or name or to deal with someone else who does that. I want to know who I'm dealing with and I want them to know who they're dealing with -- and only then do we have the basis to properly get to know each other and build a relationship. And of course all the people "in the know" know each other's names and photos and so on, but that information shouldn't be restricted to that small circle like that, that just ain't right because the general forum member lacks that information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_identity

Let's look at the word total together. A total awakening means the end/the terminus. If someone claims a total awakening and then adds addendums to that, that's evidence against the initial claim to a total awakening, pretty clearly. From my experience and perspective -- awakening is gradual throughout your whole life, and there's masculine and feminine awakenings too scattered in there. You're constantly awakening if you're pursuing development work your whole life long. And then the other qualifier I want to raise is -- not everyone grows at the same rate or ultimate destination from the perspective of the collective for whatever reason (whether nature, nurture, fate, genetics, grace, systemic issues, etc.). Muslims, love them or hate them, are consistent that Muhammad was the last prophet. That's a total awakening in the sense of at least they're honest about it and live it/practice it. A total awakening is a terminus, an end point. So, if you come in later and say, well, "I had another total awakening," probably (in my mind), you were wrong both then and now.

Be careful when someone (some other) wants to define what smart is with themselves at the apex of that. You alone are at the apex. You can't defer that to anyone else. This is the most important lesson in masculine development work. Women and feminine guys need to really grok this. You're the sovereign. Your feelings, gut feel, intuitions matter much more so than any hearsay opinion from someone else about what's what. All another person can really provide you with is an analogy, a metaphor. But you're the truth. Keep that. It's your wheelhouse, always, whether you realize that yet or not.

Wow. This is worth watching. This reminds me of the early Leo Gura back in 2014 when I first started watching him. I appreciate this video. This is the first Actualized video I've watched since the Holons video. This stuff just needs to be on the table for everyone and I give Leo credit for doing this because there are a lot of people who fight the unconcealing of this information for many reasons. Now that Leo is opening this pandora's box his followers will see that's it ok and not a threat to discuss these issues. I've been labeled as "over-thinking" for raising these issues in my writings and videos. I'm glad to see Leo addressing these issues so we can have a good faith discussion and move beyond the tactics he talks about. There is stuff he doesn't mention, but at least he makes it ok to have the discussion and doesn't try to silence this conversation from being had or ridiculing the people who are trying to shine light on these issues.

Joseph Maynor

That's a great insight. Let me add more from my perspective. The masculine is about the thing, the ego, the individual, order, encircling, truth, free will. The feminine is about the other, the no ego, the collective, chaos, allowing, awareness, no free will. What became really interesting for me was to see the interplay and the rupture between the masculine and the feminine duality as noted above, and also to appreciate both ends of that duality fully without repressing either into the individual or collective shadow. People at different "stages" of development work are going to interpret the masculine vs. feminine binary or duality differently. Interplay vs. chaos is similar to the peace vs. war duality between the masculine vs. feminine duality (or Yang vs. Yin). Play (interplay) vs. rupture, and the "cycle" repeats between Yin vs./and Yang.

@Faith Sometimes one's BS detector is right. I know Stage Green folks are always trying to call bias on anything that stands tall except for themselves. But maybe that's not taking responsibility and enabling suffering too. What's worse, the manipulator or the person who conceals the debate about the manipulator in the interest of preserving peace and equality and eliminating bias? Is the doormat mother right who tells her kids to shut up when they complain to her about their abusive step-father? Are the kids biased and over-thinking just because they hold a definitive view? Sometimes the definitive view is spot on. It's this idea that nobody can really be called out as manipulative because we're all manipulative. Ok. Well, that ignores the fact that manipulation exists on a spectrum with people -- with some people parading much more manipulative energy around than others do. There are people who are less manipulative than others. There are people who are working more for the benefit of the good than others -- and in reverse there are people who are more self-interested than others. We can't relativize this away and castigate the person who points this out as necessarily biased prima facie. This is a kind of sticking one's head in the sand. I'm responding to my feelings about this thread in general, so not all of these ideas are directly pointed at you Anna.

You did say the same. Why is this "was going to"? Say "I feel the same" if you feel that way. I put the same response to you as I did to Robed Mystic then. I have not received any point of criticism to respond to that's beyond a general denial or attack on my general "over-thinkingness."

Make sure you're the boss as to what you trust and believe. You can't get someone to do your pushups for you nor your growth. It's on you to rise up and take responsibility for who you trust and what you believe. You can't defer this to someone else. That amounts to taking hearsay over truth. Be careful with how you attach to teachers. Every teacher is once removed from you. You're the teacher. You're the teacher.

How to develop Throat Chakra: Start to say what you think and mean what you say. Be honest and straightforward, but fair, and accepting, but also critical of those who nip you and understand why they must do so. This is the hardest thing because oftentimes, the other will try to silence you or make you feel like your voice is wrong. The Throat Chakra is all about finding and using your voice with high consciousness. It's a masculine attainment in the Chakras Model.

Consciousness can't be lonely. The infinite is not lonely. The finite is lonely. And both the finite and infinite are here. So loneliness is not to be repressed. The absolute doesn't trounce the relative. It's ok to be an ego. To say otherwise would be repressing part of what's here. God is not lonely, but Man is. And Man is part of what's here.

I'm willing to allow your opinion to be here if you're willing to allow mine to be here as well. If you become interested in my perspective, you'll ask me a specific question or pose a specific comment directed at something I said. What you say here is: I generally or summarily deny what JM said. Ok. That's fine, but I have no response to this except to repeat what I initially said. It's important sometimes to allow other people to express things that differ from one's own point of view.

You're free to disagree -- but if you're going to do so in an above-board way, pose a question or a specific point you think I'm wrong about. I've done a lot of research into these things and have been following Leo since 2014.

@Forza21 I'm not sure about that as I am this -- in his response video "explaining" why he took the solipsism video down, Leo said he's creating a course probably for $1,000 where he's going to lead you to becoming God and completely omniscient. Those are his words "completely omniscient." Check it out yourself. I don't want to post the video here, but you can find it on YouTube. Who do you think is going to buy that course? Somebody off the street who hasn't been conditioned first? Just to leave one more point here, when it fails it's your fault too. So, you sell something unverifiable to someone and get them to blame themselves when it doesn't work. The secret is (drum roll) -- it was designed to fail. This is very common in MLM manipulative marketing cults.

The other thing you can do is explore friend making off the Internet. Limit your time online and go out and talk to the people in your community. I make lots of friends just striking up conversations with people wherever I go. I'm wary of online friends. I don't even know who these avatars are most of the time. I think if you're online too much and your world is sort of encircled by that, a compassionate person would urge you to go offline and try that for a while. The richness you get from interacting with real people can't be duplicated by online substitutes entirely.

Business cults are designed to brainwash/condition people to think like the cult leader so they buy his or her products eventually. This is how business cults work. YouTube does your marketing for you, you then re-direct candidates into your community (or Internet forum) where you restrict them to your discourse or messaging, and eventually they're primed to buy your products or services. Manipulative marketing cults are a way to make money usually by selling something to someone where conditioning is necessary prior to anyone wanting to buy the products, because the products are unverifiable, i.e., selling someone that they're going to become God and completely omniscient. The cult leader is a businessman and professional marketer. This is why the cult leader wants to control the messaging in their community (or Internet forum) and kick off people who get in the way of that. In order to sell someone on your "one right answer" they have to be primed over time to believe that, which requires a consistent narrative or echo chamber. Otherwise, you don't take the funneled-in candidates linearly to the cash register to buy from you. And the cult leader needs to establish a kind of scarcity and credibility as the only source who has what you want. Business cults are designed to limit you from the outside world, manipulate your thinking, get you addicted to the community that all think the same way and share a common leader, and eventually get you to buy products from the leader of that shared community.

The absolute doesn't trounce the relative. You must be able to learn both, and if you're a teacher you must find a way to teach both.

I know how to do it on my iPhone and have used this. Let me explain it and maybe you can find a way to do it analogously. For iPhone users, here's the path: Setting => Screen Time => Context & Privacy Restrictions => Content Restrictions => Web Content => Limit Adult Websites => Then enter in the website you want to block in the "Never Allow" category. For Google I use an extension called "Blocksite" which you can find by Googling it. This will allow you to block specific sites.

I tend to respect the duality between self and other but I also realize the ends of that duality fold in on each other as well.

One thing that has really helped me is if you're trauma bonding around a person and the cons are outweighing the pros for a long time and you've probably gotten all the shadow growth you're going to get out of them -- then you might want to take steps to stop looking at that person and their community. It's just like battling an addiction. The first step is to get a website blocker and block their site and stop looking for them or their videos. I'm going to use a metaphor here and I don't want it to be taken personally or to refer to any person, I just want to say it because it's memorable and useful: If you stop engaging, the garbage takes itself out. This works for any relationship that's become irreconcilably toxic. Just stop looking at and for that person and the garbage takes itself out. It's actually quite remarkable. Toxic relations require your consent and your attention. Look at the pros and cons of continuing to trauma bond with someone. If there are no more pros and only cons, then consider stopping looking at them -- avert your gaze and set up systems that help you do that. You will feel so much better I can't even tell you.

Don't attach to me. Just allow my words to sit with you and maybe influence/inspire you. I try to help people where I see they could use something that I see. I don't want any relations. I'm kind of a solitary monk of a person haha. I try to stay above things and provide care where I see it could be useful in certain situations. I try to share my experiences in a way that saves others the time/sh*t I had to deal with to learn. As you/me/we get older, you/I/we learn more and your/my/our younger days look ridiculous to you/me/us. There's a benefit to getting older besides the drawbacks. I look back at myself 5 years ago and realize I was way more foolish than I am now. I assume this continues as we age. I think it's important to remove the earplugs and observe and listen to people, which is hard for us because most people have limited exposure to other people.

No, it's very practical. It's excessively/deliberately practical from my perspective. I don't think I could be more practical in words than what I wrote.