[Resources on Jesus]

EXACTLY my thoughts lately ! please share everything related to Jesus. The more i suffer, the more i realize, that LOVE is the only way, and the only answer, and Jesus was master of it 🙂

Buddha too, he said that enlightenment doesn't mean much, if it doesn't go with empathy and love towards others/ helping them with their realization. 🙂 *

Osho - book of empathy. 

[My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?]

5 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

@Lester Retsel I had trouble with suicidal thoughts when I got confused with Actualized content.

 

A bad trip started it. Deluded, psychotic thought patterns telling me I had to literally commit suicide in order to prove I was worthy, fearless, egoless, pure. Had to spend time in psych ward and take antipsychotics. It was the most brutal and horrifying time in my life.

 

What really started the healing process was forgiveness and compassion. In other words, letting go thoughts/beliefs like "I am not enough" or "I am guilty" etc. There is no need to prove my worth.

 

Once the healing started to really kick off, started recognizing why Actualized played a role and what was wrong there so to say. Not playing psychological analysis here, but I'm quite sure Leo is suffering from the same beliefs I did. Which is why I resonated with Actualized to begin with.

 

The thing with compassion and forgiveness is that if you cannot forgive others, it means you cannot forgive yourself. If you judge others, you judge yourself. You literally hurt yourself, and then hurt others.

Its hard process. I have suicidal thoughts from time to time, and it's been 2 months now.  I feel you brother, I'm so glad you did it. ❤️🙏

Forgiveness is one thing.

But shouldn't we warn other people who may fall into Leos „teachings”? 
 

No more people should suffer because of this. And silence isn't an answer? I don't know. But based on what i see and experience, it's really really dangerous place.

And we are not the only one seriously. I talked to a guy( don't want to spoil name) who helps people get throught experience like ours. And now  he has many, many, many people from Leo's forum.  Really something is very off, and i'm not sure what to do, to save people from that.

[Is there reincarnation?]

2 hours ago, Annie said:

Is there a problem with it - I said the same thing?

This place is like actualized... same constant rhetoric.

 

I really dont think its The same rhetroic at all. What Phil or anybody here says is totally diffrent. And nobody is forcing you, i know nothing….

[Is there reincarnation?]

8 hours ago, Phil said:

‘Being the observer’, ‘being in observer only mode’, aka ‘the witness’ or ‘witnessing mode’ is a great practice for the experience of the vantage point of what one is not doing; reacting.  Helpful for seeing through ‘the matrix’, and dispelling the belief in causation.  Including the caveat of no facial expressions whatsoever really solidifies the practice. People usually report that much more than what was normally seen or observed was seen. It also tends to heighten or bring about a fullness in perception as in seeing, hearing, tasting and smelling. 

 

 it's not easy to grasp it after years cultivating "dualistic" paradigms, but i do my best! So basically  "Observe the observer" as you see that even that can be let go off. This requires years of meditation practice, i assume, and it's kinda "high league" .🙂 

 

8 hours ago, Phil said:

 

 

Could also look at a mirror, and notice you’re not actually ‘in’ the mirror. That might be obvious or readily recognized. “I’m not in it, I’m looking at it”. 

Then notice you’re not seeing yourself in the mirror either. The thought might arise, “right, obviously that’s a reflection”. 

What’s being said here however, is that is not a reflection. 

That might not be as readily recognized. 

 

 

1) Here mirror exercice was disscusted for those who are intrested. I assume you're suggesting the same thing ? :
 

2) When asking "Are there other lenses?" are you implying anything different from in your video "Actuality Of Being"? Have anything changed since the recording? 

"there are no restrictions or limitation as how many worlds or finite minds which can appear in the spheres"

is there any diffrenece?

 

3 hours ago, Annie said:

It is there... don't listen to these people they have not almost died.

Souls exist.  Reincarnation is true.  Look for it yourself, don't ask...

I assume there is something like "subtle body" and it all belongs to "person".  When you no longer think you are this "separated person" i think you might look different on this topic.  I'm open to anything, since i don't know any different i just try to understand it. As i can.
 

[Is there reincarnation?]

36 minutes ago, Phil said:

Yes but no. For blue to be ignorant and or enlightened, blue must be an it. 

No. 

Why not ? I dont get it.  😂

And if i say that infinite mind can dream all The finite minds/perspective at once? Will it be closer to truth?

 

 

Is it even possible to get what you’re saying without realization? Only on intelectual level?😁  

[Illusion of Degrees/Levels]

 

2 hours ago, Indisguise said:

 

 

@Phil Why has wakefulness forgotten? ...has wakefulness even forgotten?

When i have glimpses of "no self" and it goes with peace and bliss, it's clear for me, that it's ALWAYS there, that's what IS, like in front of the nose, nothing is hidden,  it couldn't be easier & more obvious. That's the reality. 

Then i got into a thought loop again, and i "try" to get there. And this "trying" is what keeps me away from that clarity. It's like perfect joke 😄

[Is there reincarnation?]

23 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Light shines through a prism resulting in a rainbow of color. Red asks blue if there is one prism, one light, or many prisms and or many lights. What does blue reply?

Maybe we can ‘put this to bed’. Maybe not. 

 

 Great analogy.
if blue is ignorant, it will replay " of course there are many".

if blue is enlightened, it will replay " no, it's all one."

so basically, after  death "blue"  is "gone", ( from red perspective) but it was never "separated" color, it was always the light 🙂 And for "blue" it's obvious than. 

The analogy with ocean which can observe itself from infinite perspectives might be valid to?

23 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

 

Solipsism is an ism, like Mormonism or Catholicism are ism’s. Like any other belief or belief system, solipsism is the activity of thought.

A Mormon saying Mormonism is the truth or a Catholic saying Catholicism is the truth, is a pointer to, an ism.

What isn’t recognized is the ism is the activity of thought, or, a belief(s). 

 

You are of course free to agree or not agree, but when I am using the word spirituality, it is not to uphold beliefs or suggest any belief is the truth, or any new belief or pointer is the truth… but rather the very inspection of beliefs, and therein the cessation of suffering, and in kind of the activity of thought.  

 

As far as I can see, you’re definitely in the clear on being ‘solipsism guy’. 

 

 haha trust me, i'm getting over this, it's infinitely better than it was, i simply notice that it feels discordant/let go. + some glimpses of "no-self"  are my guidance. 🙂 of course it's still so tempting for mind to get answers...

Thank you!

[Is there reincarnation?]

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

🙂

If love is said to be infinite, and it is said there is a you which merges into infinite love, then infinite love is a secondary belief. The primary belief would be that I am the separate thing or self, which in a future will or could merge into, infinite love.

 

 

Right, duality. So i am infinite love right now, and after so-called "death" it's still the same... infinite love. So no difference between this "state" if you will, and 'death" - still love, still water, still ocean?
 

 

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Was a finite lens born?

 

There's no actuallity of being born or death.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Are there other lenses?

 

This is tricky,  can you elaborate or take some different metaphor? Because i would say yes, there might be infinite numbers of lenses?  I imagine it as an ocean observing itself from infinite perspectives? If i said "no" would it imply solipsism?  ( it's my second name on this forum, lol xD solipsism guy.)

 

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Does a lens constitute a you, or separation?

 

No, there's no separation, and i can't find this "me".  Actually i can't find a "knower" , there's no separation of what i see and what's being seen/heard/felt etc.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

What is “it”, if “it” is all one?

Doesn’t one imply no it?

Yes, it's one, so "it" or "that" suggest duality.

 

 

[Is there reincarnation?]

On 4/14/2022 at 3:59 AM, Phil said:

@Forza21

What’s ‘it’ / ‘it all’? 

i just can't get my head around, what happens when this "finite lens" dies, other "lens stays" you merge into infite love, but what about "other lense" when it's all one?

i dunno if it makes any sense 😄

[Everyone is Enlightened 😇]

41 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Mandy truth is YOU/energy. 

 

oh man when I had the insight into what "other" is 😁, funny stuff.

what do you mean?

[What is God? God realization?]

22 hours ago, Annie said:

I have not had the experience that I was the entire soup - just an extension of the soup, like so, like a tendril or a bubble in carbonation:

^ The whole soup is what the "souls" are resting on, all connected through the soup - but a partition is there - I can personally "feel" souls on the off occasion, but it isn't like a specific soul, usually just me going back to the tendril to feel the interconnected nature of everything - I believe that humans used to be connected to this all the time.

It felt like this - like realizing that God was there and watching me the whole time, but that God was a feedback loop of actions that it put in place to get me to the point where it could reveal itself to me, and it felt like the "life force of everything" and it felt like evolution was put in place for it to simply witness itself through us.

It's like... "in between" but always there in everything, thus everything is alive.  Sometimes when the right feedback loops align, you can see God within nature.  You get there by doing very, very honest self inquiry, going through the fear of death.  And then, all the junk that you've accumulated will dissipate and "in between" or "right there" God will appear, just like...

Like that.  Once you find God, or consciousness, you can "key" its energy by collecting what you fancy that reminds you of it.
It's like a mixture of interconnectedness, love, gratitude, no fear of death, satisfaction, and it feels like you always were and always will be.  It's such a warm feeling, to find God.

^  God works through these loops, observe nature without touching it for hours, days, weeks and you will start to see God and understand it.  It's like a play, a musical, all happening at once but with the illusion of moving forward - I don't know how to explain it, but that's what I experienced.

Consciousness without an object, this is my favorite teaching of all time, and explains those feedback loops so well.  You find God through Being as much as you can, through knowing your shadow as much as you can, for accepting death as much as you can, for loving and feeling gratitude for your life as much as you can because the hints are everywhere.  And then it just happens spontaneously, the right set of actions allows God to come through and you will see it.  Suddenly what you're looking at becomes illuminated with life.  You see that your senses are creating this life, in everything, everything you experience.

 

@Zeroguy - Thanks Zero!  I think I'm getting better at matching the pictures with what the experience is like, but I'll need a few more awakenings to really be proficient at it, there's still a lot of questions I have not gotten the answers to.  I hope that it helps other people kind of get it, a picture really does a much better job than words do.  I could write and write, but the picture literally holds all the info needed for someone to gain an intuitive understanding of the divine.  This is why I am such an advocate for the arts, it is all a great medium to express God and God's Will. 

Great ❤️ it really gives very good feelig and insight ❤️ Thank you!

 

 

5 hours ago, Loop said:

 

I never really thought about it that way, to me it was always a co-creating, as in we are all the Source, Unity, Love. The Soul with its many souls, I am just as much the Dream as everyone else is. 

 

During my NDE I was shown a place were souls come together, unite in body-less conciousness. That place I don't really see any different than what is Now. We all come together in Presence. We are all What Is. 

 

I had to go threw a lot of Healing to understand what I went threw in my NDE, took up meditation, started reading more, and have done some psychedelics, and now the realizations are much more grounded then it was the few years after the NDE. I don't really feel done with the Healing, but have come a long way. The creative power of Love's Light is the greatest healer. 

 

You'll find your way out of the perspectives you feel sucked into, after all it is just perspective, not the Love that Is. 

Thank you!
Can you tell  a little bit more about NDE ? what's that ?

[Healing From Trauma]

Thank you so much Phil….  ❤️

[What is God? God realization?]

@Phil @Zeroguy @Loop

How after "God realization/experience" you didn't come up to conclusion, that you create your whole reality, alone as God, and everything  and everyone is your dream?

Sorry for questions, but i'm looking for different perspective than i was sucked into, lol.

 

[My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?]

D. Hawkings in his book : „ there are some lunatics who really belive they are above Jesus or Budda. Their level of conciosuness belongs to hell roam. They also attract they followers, and sell them ways to find God.  So Business Man is higher than Jesus. Keep distance its clear sign of delusion „

 

he wrote this in his book „david r hawkins i reality and subjectivity”. ( diffrent words i have polish version). 
 

i was laughing. 🙉

 

[What is God? God realization?]

16 minutes ago, Phil said:

Ditto. 

 

Is it weird that God tells God that meditation which is God isn’t ‘the way to’ God, so God can pretend God is not God, to sell God to God?

 

Funny, terrible, or terribly funny?

 

dunno. 

 

D. Hawkings in his book : „ there are some lunatics who really belive they are above Jesus or Budda. Their level of conciosuness belongs to hell roam. They also attract they followers, and sell them ways to find God.  So Business Man is higher than Jesus. Keep distance its clear sign of delusion „

 

he wrote this in his book „david r hawkins i reality and subjectivity”. ( diffrent words i have polish version). 
 

i was laughing. 🙉

 

[What is God? God realization?]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Ditto. 

 

Is it weird that God tells God that meditation which is God isn’t ‘the way to’ God, so God can pretend God is not God, to sell God to God?

 

Funny, terrible, or terribly funny?

 

dunno. 

how would you describe realization you are God? Is there any sense of „i”? Do you feel like „its your creation”?  Or such words belong to imaginery person ?

[What is God? God realization?]

1 hour ago, Zeroguy said:

You can experience yourself as 'black' Infinite formlessness you will fell God infinity real infinite love.Best experience nothing compares.

How it happened for you?:)

[What is God? God realization?]

1 hour ago, Aware Wolf said:

God most likely is way beyond any of our concepts of Her. 

 

My working definition for God (also for Brahmin, Rigpa, Buddha Nature, Emptiness) -- ultimate reality. 

 

 

Yes, the bad part of me thinks that there is such a thing "God Consciousness" that c*nts will proudly tell me they've realized at the Vegan cafe before pedantically lecturing me about the dangers of vaccines and 5G. 

 

I find such statements a bit on the reeky side. What do it even mean? Can they display any siddhis? Can they even change the color of a one hair on their head? Do they have any insights beyond Absolute nondual cliches? Are they parroting some Internet Arahant guru? 

 

Sometimes I help myself to their French fries to see what God Level Consciousness does. 

 

Do people have spiritual experiences. Absolutely. Can they be transformative? Yes. Can they lead to a new insight and relationship and perspective with themselves. Yes. 

 

What does a legit God Realization, Emptiness, Brahmin, Rigpa, Total Universal Primordial Consciousness, Buddha Nature Realized individual look like? What do they think? What do they believe? 

 

Is there a set of perennial foundational beliefs, or is it depends? Does a yoga awakening look the same as a zen one as an Advaita Vedanta one or a Neo Advaitin one? Would one system recognize an awakened master from a different system? Is it climbing up the same mountain using different paths or are they different mountains? Is it one crystal with many different facets? 

 

What's the Endgame? 

 

The Dalai Lama says he's a simple monk. Leo Gura says he's God and can cure all diseases. 

 

Yes, there might be subjectivity involved in describing truth. That is mentioned in latest TOE episode. Buddhist talks about emptiness. Vedanata, about pure conciosuness. Almost all of them, also about infinite love. I wonder if its just diffrent words, or experience.  🙂

[Who am i?]

On 4/15/2022 at 5:59 PM, Blessed2 said:

Great share 🙏🙏🙏 thank you so much 🙏

Thank you ❤️❤️ 

 

1 hour ago, Aware Wolf said:

Grats Man! 

 

I'm happy to see you've released the thorn in your side which was your obsession with Solipisism. 

 

Ah, you saying your home reminds me of this:

 

 

 
Thank you ❤️ yes, slowly, but steady it's going to the right direction. Thank you for all your support ❤️ 

[What is God? God realization?]

What's your definition of God? 

Is there such thing as "God realization?"

In my head, because of years of Christianity indoctrination, i still have this mental image of God as a person.

If God is pure consciousness, nothingness, love...

God realization would mean, that you become fully selfless. Like waveless existence, all-pervasive and formless, kinda like space. 

So there's none to get "God realization".  There's also none to reincarnate, to be trapped, or whatever.  

Are those all stories? Imaginary levels of imaginary path?
 

[My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

I think this thread is the buzz that's driving traffic to this site.

 

This I don't get.  I would love more people in this place, where you can actually get help. This forum should be at least x10 bigger.  🙂  That's kinda of Leo bullshit rhetoric when he said about "splitting community because they are lazy". Nobody is doing it for attention, it's just for a sake of discussion. And if the forum grows... that will be good.

[Vedanta is solipsism. Ramana Maharishi was solipsist?]

23 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:

Solipsism isn't truth.

 

It feels off because it is off.

 

We are boundless and together.

 

What is the 'opposite' of solipsism?

 

If solipsism is not construction of thought, how can there be an opposite of it? How could it ever be known if either contruction is true, when 'knowing' or 'knower' is also thought?

 

What is not thoughts? What is thought and feeling 'made of'? What is the opposite of... This Being? If there would be an opposite to it... Would it not be the same Being?

 

Can you ever feel anything else than truth? Can feeling ever be anything else than unconditional?

 

Does Being and feeling have boundaries?

 

NO!

 

Solipsism: ◯

 

Being:

 

!!!!!

 

Imagine an infinite sea. Can this sea be 'alone'? Where is the boundary? Without boundary, is there 'loneliness'?

 

Notice you cannot really think, comprehend or fathom an infinite sea. You can think or visualize a sea, but the infinity-part can only be... felt.

 

This solipsism stuff is non-sense. Go out for a walk! Feel the big muscles in your legs. You're doing so fine.

Yesterday i wouldn't get it. But today i've experienced a boundless ocean of consciousness, and for a brief moment, i've realized, i'm that.  All those questions about solipsism, reincarnation, simply doesn't make sense, we are boundless and free already. There's no "I", just a bunch of arising vibrations. No different than leaf falling, or wind blowing. 
 

[Vedanta is solipsism. Ramana Maharishi was solipsist?]

19 hours ago, Annie said:

I've had mental breakdowns before, they are not fun...
What I do is I take a break from it all and focus on self care and Love and reset myself that way, if a belief or fear of something grows too strong to handle.
For me, the realization that nature and reality is brutal and loving but also uncaring of the ego's will as it has its own Will - meaning that everything is ultimately easily destroyed and ruined - this frightens me, as I need things to be the same in order to be relatively stable.  I walk a thin line between spiritual revelation and psychosis and sometimes it overlaps.

My experiences have shown me that there are souls, like swimming in a soup, and it is a more unified experience of Love, everyone who ever was or will be is already there, giving their heart away in song (metaphor) to the divine.  Life is like a song.
Try to find things that allow you to feel inspired, bring things into your environment that give you a sense of safety, order.
Meditate, a lot.

Try meditating on the emotion of joy - wire your brain to accept joyful emotion.  Bring things into your life that evoke the power of joy.
The problem with spiritual teachings is that the path is so tailored to the individual, not the collective, but we work in a collective fashion to understand things.  Try going inwards.  Start a journal and really seek the truth, and what it means for you, individually, without any advice or authority from anyone - face death... for real, and go into the fear of it until it becomes second nature to move past the fear, and you will find Love there, illuminated in all things, together as One.  As I say this to you to try to explain, it does a disservice in a way because then you have a concept.  

 

When you find "it", you can play with it, like a puzzle.  Finding your own unique pieces to the picture.  And it manifests things in real time.
Everything is alive, and aware.  You are not alone, you are surrounded.  By life itself.  Connect to that so you don't feel alone.

That's all I can really think of, hope it helps!  Good luck!

Thank you so much! ❤️❤️ it's very relaxing, and pure. Good vibration. ❤️ 

[Who am i?]

  Today happened something i want to share.

While in meditation, I've noticed, that sense of body and any boundaries are pure mental. There are no boundaries in reality. It all dissolves in meditation. Even the sens of perceiver which is somewhere behind "eyes" can be dissolved.

All sensations in body, such us emotions, tinglings, thoughts, just appears. It's like the constant flow of a river. It never stops. It appears to none, because there's no such thing, which I can call "I".
So...
Who am I?

While I was walking, there was mental masturbation going on "in my head", like " hmm... after I die, will I experience my girlfriend perspective?" , " Will i reincarnate?" And it hit me.  What a stupid question!

It's like a wave, which wonders, " hmm... will I be this another wave some day?"

This life of "Forza" is no different from wind blowing, or leaf falling on the ground. When there's no identification with thoughts, you see a perfect dance of everything which is arising, and I'm that.

Sounds. Sensations. Thoughts. Tinglings. Vibrations. It all arises to none, it's a pure ocean of consciousness.  Pure "I  am".

From that point, every question about "experience of other people" or "reincarnation" simply doesn't make sense, and it belongs to dualistic mind. Even question about ''solipsism" which bothers me for a while, doesn't make sense. Because who is this "I' who's alone?

Of course, my "ego-mind" makes stories about this experience, but i feel, the practice of being present, and constantly going from thoughts, to whatever's arising, is the key to freedom.

I have no idea, if this should be called "insight" or " returning home"...  🙂

Love!
 

[Pointer to Consciousness (& Solipsism)]

Thank you Tim ❤️ I dont get it quite yet on The experience level, but it makes sense on the intellectual !😁