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[No Self]

On 2/8/2023 at 3:48 PM, Phil said:

How’s this relate to “no self”? Seems more like a whole bunch of selves. Is the ‘No self” the one thinking that has an identity? Are humans the “no self”, or is the “no self” the one that experiences the “self” to be, who all humans might be the same too? Idk if I can comprehend all these selves really. 

I don't know you tell me. There is Phil but there isn't a self. You don't have a self.

[Fear of extreme suffering]

8 minutes ago, Phil said:

How many parts of perception are there?

Two parts. The part of perceiving and what is perceived. These two parts make one part which is perception - then after you have perception your good to go. You can find perception also in awareness. Actually, awareness is the purest form of perception. 

[There is More Beyond "I Am"]

13 minutes ago, Orb said:

@nurthur11 who is sabotaging himself?...just kidding 

Forward!

[There is More Beyond "I Am"]

@OrbJust forward! Effortlessly; you end up sabotaging yourself. 😛  

 

Go deeper into I am. Forward! 

[There is More Beyond "I Am"]

8 hours ago, Mandy said:

Conciousness is awake/asleep, can be lost or gained. Awareness is (already) beyond both but neither does anyone actually go beyond conciousness to gain or become Awareness. Is the I Am sense consciousness or Awareness? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Awareness is the remanence of consciousness - they both inherit the sense I am but not only

[No Self]

8 minutes ago, Phil said:

So you’re saying the “no self “is getting gaslighted, needs to pay attention more, needs to do practices, needs to cultivate and is self-centered??  is it just me or is this the perfect philosophy for how there is a self?? 

There are different ways how you can think about self. One way is to ask if your identity, personality and character is similar with all human beings and the other from the perspective of how you experience or not experience your self to be. Are all humans same to you?

[No Self]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

I don’t think people feel bad for me. Seems more like the people in my life appreciate that I’m working myself to death taking care of everything & everyone. When I reincarnate I’m definitely gonna be one of them instead of me. Sometimes I think about how I could speed that up. 

 

Not really. I’m just asking for simple practical advice for “no self” and am getting confused by responses about ‘every person’s journey’ and ‘unique understandings’ & what ‘resonates with the self’. I feel like I’m standing at KFC asking for a chicken wing and the employee’s are telling me about how meat farms modify the genetics and about the minutia of the union contracts. It’s like you people answer never reading your own words, or you do and it somehow makes sense to you. More like actuality of gaslighting up in here.  

Your getting gaslighted by a 2500 old idea ; and yes, I don't always read my own words.

 

Here is the practical conventional:  Mindfulness meditation (pay attention to the present moment and observe your thoughts and feelings without judgement), Focus on the breath, Practice self-inquiry "Who am I?" and "What is the self?" and let go of any answers that come up. Cultivate feelings of love and kindness towards yourself and others, which can help you let go of a narrow, self-centered perspective. Good luck!

 

 

[Heart Pain During Meditation]

On 1/30/2023 at 1:34 PM, Orb said:

This is weird because it only happens during meditation, my pose is the half lotus pose. When I sit on the cushion for half lotus after some time I feel the heart beating harder and even felt a sharp sensation in the heart that was enough to make me stop meditating. Idk what the hells going on. Has this happened to any of you?

 

 

You might be stressed about something. It happens to me that meditation increases stress. Don't forget that there is like a basic psychological reaction to forcing yourself to do something or to let go of something. For me I get less stressful when I meditate with someone else. I like to meditate with my mother or my brother - my gf doesn't find it so interesting.

 

In fact focusing increases stress let go of focusing and resting might increase activity in the mind so it will increase stress. Multitasking increases stress. You might be a stressed person like I am.

[No Self]

32 minutes ago, Phil said:

That’s the self, that’s who I am. It doesn’t matter if I think about it. “No one is aware”, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. How do you think I’m talking to you know! Sometimes I wonder if you nondualists and your new age platitudes and neo-advaita rhetoric are really what’s wrong with this world. it’s like you speak in cryptic fucking riddles when I’m just here trying to obtain “no self”. 

It sounds like you have strong feelings about nondualism and spirituality. Every person's journey and understanding of self is unique, and there is no right or wrong way to approach the concept of "no self." Some individuals find solace and clarity in these ideas, while others may find them confusing or unhelpful. It's important to find what resonates with you and what helps you live a fulfilling life.

[No Self]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

So the “no self” is aware and attending the “no self’s” breath? That’s “no self”? I don’t get it. 

I dont know Philip. How to explain it to you. Dont think about it too much. The feeling that you are aware is good in practical terms.

 

Are you aware? Who is it that is aware? No one is aware.

[No Self]

1 hour ago, Maycausedizzyness said:

Being "aware of attending your breath" is no self??? Lmao... literally, priceless🤣

What is no self then? 
 

Get a life btw.

[No Self]

5 hours ago, Phil said:

I really just read this and feel like you’re trying to make me feel bad so you can feel more important. Maybe you want me to see you as “grand” is really all that comes to mind. 

 

I feel like to me your posts might be important to you, but that doesn’t make them feel important to me or ignored by me. I’m asking for simple practical ways to realize “no self”. Asking me what are thoughts is pointless. Maybe you know or believe you understand what thoughts are, idk. Great for you if you do. No idea how that’s supposed to help me realize “no self”. I’m supposed to understand that and then “no self” will somehow correlate or be realized? I really don’t get what you’re saying at all. 

 

I can’t tell if this place is about realizing “no self” or some weird ass online reenactment of The Dead Poet Society. 

 

I think I get wanting to be heard and understood. Is that basically what you’re trying to say? Like I’ll realize “no self” if my concepts are repeated enough or heard or understood by people? Then I’ll be heard & understood and there will be “no self” that was heard and understood?? It doesn’t make any sense but it seems like that’s basically what you’re saying. Or maybe you’re trying to point out that I’m a single male? I thought I told you I was married with kids? I read what you’re saying a few times and the more I do the more it sounds like Richard Dawkins and Stanley Kubrick had a baby with existential Tourette’s syndrome. 

 

Yeah there’s feelings and thoughts. So what? I guess I get that you’re saying I should be aware of myself. But how’s “no self” fit into that?? It’s like you’re saying the “no self” is a third self that’s supposed to will something? What the hell does that even mean? Sounds like the plot of the next Last AirBender movie. How’s knowing myself and learning about myself make any sense with “no self”? How am I supposed to change in a future? Just jump in a delorean during the next storm? I’m not saying I’ve awakened. To me that feels like some kool aid you all drink. The “no self” lives inside the world? Yeah, that’s pretty much already me. Living in a shithole that I don’t even think will be here long enough for me to live a full life in it. I feel like I’d be lucky to ever breathe clean air or eat something that isn’t genetically modified and giving me cancer. Those days are done brother. I think it’s you that stands to wake up. What the hell does “The Buddha” have to do with what I’m here asking for help with? Is that the advice you’d honestly tell my wife & kids? Your husband / dad just needs to go sit under a fucking tree for years? Are you insane man!? Where I live that’s called abandonment and I’m pretty sure there are like laws and shit about that. 

Relax man. Okay, try to attend your breath while doing that notice that you are aware of attending your breath. That is no self. 

 

[Don't escape yourself]

Don't go out looking for more of you and a better of you if it comes it comes. Don't concern about your feeling when you have to work do the work push yourself, try your best. If you want to do the work, of course. Don't give your all, outsmart, be fast, get strong bullshit.  Don't take of your cloths, "kill yourself" you don't have do bleed out to be successful, happy or fulfilled . Don't go searching for the actuality.

 

Everyone is afraid and will be afraid in the future that how it is. I don't agree with doing only what makes you feel good. 

 

 

[When I look into myself I found nothing but hate]

On 1/31/2023 at 6:04 PM, Tarak said:

I have been semi-actively doing the work for a few years now. If I look back at those years, I can see a lot of progress, but there was one thing I didn't feel ready to say goodbye to: smoking cannabis.

 

I smoked cannabis for almost 25 years to repress childhood trauma and a few months ago I decided to quit. The first weeks were hard, but I had anticipated that. My body has to adjust to a life without THC and it goes quite well, one day better than the other.

 

What is not going well is the infinite hate that has been coming to the surface. In the past I had lots of times where I lost control over myself, and I punched or kicked or headbutted the wall until I broke something. Since I quit smoking, those moments are happening every few days and the emotional load is becoming bigger by the day. I don't doubt I have it in me to kill someone. To be honest, if I didn't have a kid that adores me, I'd be one of those "nutty shooters" that kills dozens of people before blowing his own brains out.

 

The hate is starting to change me for the worse. Before I quit smoking I was a patient, loving dad who took his time to play games with his kid, listen to what he had to say, encourage him with trying different things. In a few months time I changed into a depressing guy who yells for the smallest thing that goes wrong, ignore my kid more and more and I kill his dreams with my cynicism.

 

I'm doubting if I should just start smoking again. I hate it that I seem to only be able to live a good life with it, but at the rate I'm destroying everything around me, if I don't start again, my end might be very near.

I am going to give you the  same advice as I give myself. Your mind, body active "energy" whatever you want to call it will go towards exciting ideas even if they do bad to you in the long term. Dont put your focus into "ah i sabotage myself because i done a mistake" "others are treating me bad" "how dare they ask me about my past they are  trying to gaslight me" "now i hurt myself and they will see what they done to me". Don't try to find an explanation about this please. I willingly went unconscious and went in front of the car today the guy who was driving(taxi) stopped at the last moment. I was embarrassed even more after this since i was with a friend and just earlier i had a fight with another friend - if I try to find explanation and try to say sorry "I was not trying to be bad at others but you were bad to me now I went in front of car" and so on and so forth it would just progress even more this way of being. There is impossible to find a good explanation about our being. You don't live inside of yourself. Eventually I would identify as self sabotage or as that or as this. Everyone self sabotage, hurts and so on. You have a life, hope you have a job and hope the weather is good in your country. 

[No Self]

The first person perspective or your direct experience if you observe it as an experience you will notice your feelings, thoughts and so on but all of these will change. Sometimes is more solid, sometimes its thinking and so on. You can of course be aware of yourself, your self experience, your feelings - but it doesn't necessary mean that you will anything in it. It is good to know yourself and learn about yourself. This doesn't necessary mean that you wont change in the future. Sometimes we go on a path and realize is not what we wanted and visa versa. Every moment you are changing and you don't know what you will like in the future and this is good. If you think you have learned all about yourself and you are awakened you will stagnated into enteral drunkenness' "bliss".  You don't live inside yourself you live in the world. There is not a good explanation about this and there is not a good explanation about reality and the world so don't try so hard.

 

There is a story about Buddha staying under the tree how many years then we he finally stopped his meditation, they asked him what have you learned he said lets go eat. As I understand at that time they were not eating since it was considered as a pleasurable activity.

[Relationships are completely and entirely circumstantial and conditional]

On 1/23/2023 at 12:54 AM, ivankiss said:

I mean, it cannot really be any other way, right? The fact that there is a relationship, kinda implies that there is a circumstance and a condition, right?

 

Of course it matters when and where and who and why and how long or how often and how seriously and how casually and how selflessly and how selfishly and so on. Only under these conditions but not those would you consider marrying this person but not that other one. Of course you could and probably would bend and negotiate, but nevertheless, there would always be some kind of a term or condition and only under specific circumstances.

 

Love between two cannot possibly be unconditional. Unconditional Love is only One. Two negotiate and do the dance, while One simply is.

 

 

You can be aware of relationships but  not necessary you will find an explanation about everything. Relationships are just as they are and you are  fit for them everyone is fit for them. Life not necessarily has to have an explanation. Great philosophers and scientist couldn't explain it and were empoisoned by their concept ideas, past traumas like everyone else. Finding explanation's many times is a trap. Not necessary life has to be intuitive or grasped by our intellect, awareness, attention. Don't forget that still in 2022 people have issue defining what is attention were is in the brain let alone what is awareness.

[Suggestion on how to pass the moments when you feel like you are re living your past]

5 hours ago, Phil said:

A belief a thing, an anchor, is needed. 

Consider, ‘suggestions for how to dive as deeply into the moment as possible’. 

Suggestions like pointers you mean? 

[Suggestion on how to pass the moments when you feel like you are re living your past]

4 hours ago, Phil said:

A belief in form. 

A belief that yourself has a form?

[How do you understand dharma?]

I just recently saw the 4 pillars of mindfulness by Buddha and the 4th is dharma? How do you understand it in your own words?

[Suggestion on how to pass the moments when you feel like you are re living your past]

On 1/30/2023 at 2:22 PM, Phil said:

Maybe even a letting go of form.

What is the anchor then? How do i know i am living my maximum potential? You get the idea of what i am trying to say. We all want to be better with others and have stronger relationships, make fewer sins/mistakes and also be able stand up on our own two feet’s. For this i believe that there needs to be an anchor which help us build this optimism and hope(maybe this is other people). So far I know that doing one things at the time helps, staying close to the people that surrounds me helps, serve others helps but i am not so great at this. I know have tested with various forms of practicing “attention” “awareness” or being yet i believe that is not healthy to be aware of our being all the time since we are already aware. Who am I should be pretty much a counter response to this I that is formed in times of hard criticism, shame, fear? I understand it has to be experiential but i am not sure to what extend we would be aware of it happening. Is a place where self get lost unexpectedly yet i cant find an anchor that helps me comeback to it. 
 

[Suggestion on how to pass the moments when you feel like you are re living your past]

26 minutes ago, Phil said:

Sometimes memories arise which have a discordant feeling aspect that while felt, remain a bit peculiar and mysterious. It can be tricky to notice and challenging to really decipher, even given the clarity of hindsight or retrospect, just what that discordant aspect is. Sometimes the discord of said memories can even seem to influence energy, mood, desires, choices, behaviors and actions going forward, in a rather limiting yet ever-so-hard to put a finger on manor. 

So you suggest a form of letting it untangle until it feels not discordant. Well played - I agree!

 

53 minutes ago, solereproduction said:

Evolving is an equally ongoing process in real time, evolution is total sum of all evolving achieved here now in compounding effects that affects each reproduction alive here, in the shared moment living as genetically eternally separated now.

 

It is your instinctive brain navigating the situation you are never same total sum again.

 

Past ends here, future only developing forward now. Nothing real stays same details again. Why life is always this adapt or become extinct moment.

 

Peace in understanding how and why each what, where, when, which, person, place, things were or are actively existing here currently evolving in plain sight.

 

the whole is always total sum of everything universally present evolving as displaced.  self evident beyond shadows of doubt.

Like it or not, believe it or not. It is what it remains evolving forward in plain sight.

 

[Suggestion on how to pass the moments when you feel like you are re living your past]

I hope it resonates with you. These are like a full on experience for me. I just saw a movie and it says I feel like reliving the past and for me this is how these moments feel. For me these moments come with feeling anxious, hyped and a since i relate them with a different sense of reality now i very much focus in this. I can change on how i experience the story and focus on how i am seeing things i.e. when they happen. I can relate these moments with anything but the core story of what happened doesn't change. Let If you know how you deal with these if you know what i am talking about. 

[Different methods on aiming to guide towards self recognition..]

On 1/23/2023 at 8:58 PM, Eternal said:

Curious to know peoples thoughts about this. So many different religions such as Christianity, Buddhis, Hinduisim etc.. and then there is @Phil who simply teaches it very basically using the emotional scale and self-expression while meditating in a simple manner without over complicating anything. Thent there is Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle and many different books all pointing to the same fundamental truth. Just simply using different language. 

 

Do religions over complicate things? such as Buddhism, teaching different jhanas, different awakenings etc.. giving the mind that the idea of enlightenment is such a far out goal.. why would the buddha teach that? 

 

There is also self-inquiry by Ramana Maharshi

 

The point of this post is that I want have to discussion about all the different language used between different religions and spiritual teachers? Thoughts on this? 

 

How will non-duality be taught in the future is something that interests me. @Phil You have good teachings but at the same time I remember people finding you to cryptic on the actualized forum and to much out there in the 'absolute'. For a long time I could not even fully understand what you were trying to tell me, stuck in my own thought loops & suffering. But I suppose it was a belief in the seperate self all along.. 

 

I suppose it is a challenge using language to communicate something that is very much one as language uses duality.. Surely there must be a better way of communicating something so simple and profound. 

 

 

Any method/way of living or type of existence that is unified or whole so to speak will lead you towards a type of self realization which will most definitely  contain awareness type of self realization: looking for love or guiding yourself with true love, praying, feeling, attending, supporting others; ramana maharshi who am i. It has to be both experiential and a belief so to speak so that it is casual/everlasting. 

[I am god]

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