nurthur11
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1 hour ago, Cathal said:
Stop reacting to it and see it as impersonal, a condition you were conditioned into. If you struggle with it, try to fix it, change it you will not let go. Letting go is to stop reacting, to be mindful when it arises, to stop trying to defend yourself and let go of controlling what is out of your control. Let go and you will see in time, it won't hit you as much
I did do this and I stopped noticing anxiety completely until today when I got a panic attack and realized what i said to my collogues was completely dumb. I went out for a walk and felt better at it - I am very bad at not reacting but I can see your point.
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8 hours ago, Mandy said:
Example, I was raised Christian, told Halloween was evil, not allowed to trick or treat and at some point really began to agree and hate the season as well as Fall in general. I did not find anything funny about scaring people, about plastic severed body parts, or celebrating or making light of horrors, or excessive candy, or any of it. It lasted and was cemented into adulthood made worse by the belief that I had SAD that set in at the time as well. At some point I even started to dislike fall foliage (in New England even 😐). Then it started to dissolve, little by little as I started to realize partly through the influence of a friend who ADORED Halloween how creative the holiday is and everything around it. Then I realized it's actually therapeutic. It's the most therapeutic holiday for dealing with fear. It's actually brilliant. What used to be a season I detested that was full of depression and fear and disgust and judgement of those enjoying it is now a time of utter magic and connection.
Going out and getting scared is okay. Scaring yourself to get rid of fear is cheating and it will not work.
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1 hour ago, Phil said:
Perception refers to seeing, hearing, tasing, smelling, etc.
To ‘perceive yourself from a vantage point’ would required not being yourself, but someone or something other than yourself, which is perceiving (seeing or hearing) yourself. In accordance with direct experience, you’ve never perceived yourself.
To ‘become aware’ would imply that awareness wasn’t aware, and then becomes aware. Also in accordance with direct experience, awareness never actually ‘becomes’ any thing.
‘My life experience’ can not come to an end because it never began.
Whats meant by ‘many time’? (Or times)
Why do you philosophate so much man. Just simple(jk dont get mad🤍). In my experience when i get tired or don't sleep at night I feel the tiredness. Why do i feel disconnected sometimes? The people that are with me still think I am the same person.
Okay so life experience just is, so to say. You cant say awareness never becomes anything. Okay if you say it - then what is awareness in this sense?
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4 hours ago, Phil said:
What’s meant by most of the time?
This happens to me also. I perceive myself from a vantage point and many time become aware of this vantage point. How can I end watching my life experience ?
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32 minutes ago, Phil said:
Then what you’re saying here isn’t actually based on direct experience. Which of course is fine, not meant as judgement.
If not direct experience though, where did this view or understanding if we can call it that, come from?
Direct experience is a vibration right?
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8 hours ago, Someone here said:
Do you think there is a limit to feeling good ?
I think that limit should be high. It definitely reachable through drugs. If you take heroine and eat a lot of chocolate I heard it makes you feel good.
The kind of good feeling I like is similar to love. When you love a game, a friend and you get deeply interested about it. You research all the addons for that game and try to perfect your play and so on and so on. This is the kind of thing that would make me feel good and happy. If you are talking about this feeling good then I don't think it I has a limit - only if you get tired or go to sleep or you end up failing badly. Not sure. The point would be to be able to try again without much hesitation.
Yeah and I agree that feeling good doesn't necessary mean you are experiencing good emotions all the time.
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I think one should strive to feel good for as long as possibel.
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16 hours ago, Phil said:
Like this.
I meant that would be more of an assumption than an error.
Infinite doesn’t error, but forgets, overlooks and assumes.
To effortlessly be is really just to have inspected all thoughts to the contrary.
All conflicts of the mind. All seeming paradoxes.
When there’s no room for assumption what was overlooked remembers.
Obobo Philip were are you going, were?
All thoughts have been inspected - not one remains just the laziness. Conflict I have only with you. Paradox full. The last sentence is deep brother.
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how do I be effortlessly?
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13 minutes ago, Phil said:
More of an assumption.
yeah yeah
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9 hours ago, Phil said:
Yes, as if ‘in’ love, but more so eternal being than experiencing.
If there is such a thing.
It’s like if you were at point an and you threw a ball to point b and measured how long it took the ball to get from a to b. But the ball doesn’t come back… and then you assume it takes as long to come back, or go from b to a, as it did to go from a to b. That assumption is baked into the ‘speed of the light.’
Eternal being still has to be experienced in a way. Has to be known and understood, so ones feels confident that it is always there. This would be the context.
Even if the ball doesn't comeback there will not be a big margin of error in the measurement.
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7 hours ago, Phil said:
Infinite being, awareness, consciousness, peace, love, self… is effortlessly aware of and effortlessly appearing as the thought “Bardhi” as well as the body the thought points to, by being the lens-sphere (thoughts) & world-sphere (bodies). (By awareness (etc), what’s meant is the very same awareness aware now.)
Perception & understanding are vibrational appearance. There is no perceiver or understander; the experience of perception & understanding occur effortlessly / aren’t a doing. Infinite being is synonymous with knowing or knowingness, and infinite means no finite… so there is infinite knowingness but there isn’t any (finite) thing to actually perceive, understand or know. Hence, infinite can not know finite.
But the believing of thoughts makes it seems so. (The Cosmic Joke.)
Infinite being doesn’t’ “do”, as there isn’t any thing to do. Infinite being be’s, and inherently in being, forgets that it is (infinite being).
Knowingness is knowing of the thought that there is a “knower”.
The homogeneity is always ‘with’ (as) infinite being; awareness, consciousness, intelligence, peace, love (self).
The speed of light is based on a measurement of light moving from a point a to a point b, which light never actually ‘did’ / that measurement was never actually done. A true measure of the speed of light would only be one way, which isn’t possible. So a two way measurement is commonly assumed to have been a one way measurement. Light doesn’t actually ‘travel’. It just seems like it, again, in the ‘thought makes it so’ manor.
The calculation of the speed of light is based on a two way measurement which (the two way aspect) never actually occurred, and therein was never actually measured.
Thank you for the long answer i truly appreciate it.
Yes, the experience of perception and experience appears effortlessly. But one can notice how they are appearing and spend the time with these appearance's. Would you agree?
First of all is very hard to “contextualize” your words in my experience. Practically speaking for me when i am writing this answer: I am on my phone writing this answer. Can i be on my phone? 😛
It seems that you know the light thing better than me. What is a two way aspect/measurement ? -
7 hours ago, Mandy said:
There's a vast difference in me believing that I have SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and getting depressed every November, and me recognizing that when a really bad feeling thought comes up what I want is to let go of that thought, and sink into feeling itself. Even if that thought is about November, and the calendar says "November", believing the thought means suffering all year every winter, watching the thought means realizing that I'm timeless and just choosing to focus on that NOW. NOW is the only actuality of November, NOW is perfect potential and everything I ever wanted, not my discordant conditioned connotations and beliefs about November and myself and my brain chemistry, etc. Does that make sense?
Yes - now is now. I understand. It makes sense.
Just watching the thoughts also makes sense.
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2 hours ago, Mandy said:
Feeling is always there, emotion guides thought. If it doesn't seem evident enough, listening or feeling into it, slowing down, is what gets us out of the pattern of bulldozing over what we're feeling by thinking. If we do keep on thinking discordant thoughts emotion becomes more evident by in that we feel worse, until you can't ignore it and can't ignore the desire to feel better. That's how you inadvertently go down the scale. I suggest the first way, slowing down thought and getting curious about feeling.
Feeling might be always here but not always it is noticed and what you are saying for me means putting extra focus on what one is feeling. Now the interesting part for me is when you say discordant thoughts emotion: I notice myself that I am out of sync - I might be feeling differently but expressing myself differently. I might be very sad and hopeless but believe that I am angry, hyped. Or I might dislike something and think that is wrong and I am wrong. Still dont know how to tackle this but the best thing for me is to just stop trying doing anything to myself.
I will reply the other part later becasue i have to leave.bb.
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39 minutes ago, Phil said:
The spheres are what seeing (perception) & experience (vibration) are. It’s why there is believed to be the speed of light, black holes, white holes, spacetime, gravity, objective or subjective experience, the ‘hard problem of consciousness’, science vs religion, etc, etc.
The notion of self acceptance arises in the same manor as the questioning of free will.
Illusion (separate selves) & appearance (Self).
Is this effortless being or effortless Bardhi? As I understand in experience there is the experience which is a vibration and ones perception. Then I don't understand why you do this? " It’s why there is believed to be the speed of light, black holes, white holes, spacetime, gravity, objective or subjective experience, the ‘hard problem of consciousness’, science vs religion, etc, etc. " Sure you can't know that all being are having the same experience and the same perception - so you cannot assume homogeneity of this even among people let alone the universe. I am not 100 sure but I think speed of light is not a belief is a calculation and black holes are observed in space.
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On 11/26/2022 at 12:18 AM, Phil said:
@Philis the sphere analogy something to be seen in experience ?
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1 hour ago, Mandy said:
The scale shows that you can't really expect to go from anger to optimism, there's some momentum at play there. It also gives you acceptance for certain emotions. We may believe we are above jealousy for example and therefore be repressing it with thoughts of identification of being someone too spiritually evolved for such things. It helps to recognize that it is the emotion at play, not necessarily the person or circumstance the thoughts are about. It helps you to watch the thoughts rather than believe them and in doing so keep thinking them and staying in the discordant emotion.
Can one manifest this emotion that is in play experientially? So the guide feels more evident so to say.
Also, i don’t understand when you say it helps you watch the thought rather than believe them(is this ironic?). The emotion does??
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38 minutes ago, Phil said:
You’re aware that there is a me which is aware?
No i am not. Ok i see, and it feels better (less discordant) you are right.
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2 hours ago, Phil said:
@nurthur11
What, other than awareness, is aware?Me!
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31 minutes ago, Phil said:
Likewise, are you, awareness, in a state of anxiety?
Do you, awareness, get anxious?
Do you have fear?
No I am Bardhi - feeling fear. I am aware that I can feel anxious at time.
I don't have fear. Your right. Fear has me.
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8 hours ago, Phil said:
You got me here. I am aware. 💡
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6 hours ago, Phil said:
But is there me and a myself… such that me could assume myself is fine?
Where is the myself spoken of?
How are you distinguishing my voice vs… me?
I am hearing my voice - the me is before my voice. This me it cannot be pointed.
Ok, I understand what you are saying but i did not adopt this belief yet. In my belief me is the sense of having likes and not likes, specific mood, personality traits.
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53 minutes ago, Phil said:
Is there a you and a myself such that a you could assume everything is fine with a myself?
I’m not suggesting to assume anything, just pointing to what is already actually the case.
Yes, of course all states are fine and yes self is inconceivable, therein there aren’t actually any states, nor that myself.
Hmmm 🤔
I am not sure how to reply. I believe there is a me. I can hear my voice. I can see myself?
How would you investigate “what is actually the case” ?
1 hour ago, Mandy said:Good for contemplation? If our own thoughts are poison, other's encouraging words can seem like the antidote. The wisest thing is to stop eating the poison. Maybe look into some of Louise Hay's affirmations and write down some that really hit you. https://www.louisehay.com/101-best-louise-hay-positive-affirmations/#:~:text=am at peace.-,Loving others is easy when I love and accept myself,members just as they are.
Thank you 🙏
Dealing with anxiety and trauma
in Nonduality, Consciousness, Awakening, Enlightenment, Self-Recognition
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Breathwork worked for me when in fight or flight but sometimes I can over breath so like a balance of control breathwork and let it happening by itself.