My thoughts of Leo and actualize.org. What do you think?

[Jonas Long]

3 minutes ago, God said:

Wow, great argument.  If you had any real argument you would've at least said something more specific than "you have to learn".  

You're reiterating very well known toxic talking points.  I don't have the time or energy to put into the re-education you require.  So, think what you like about me, about leo, there's deeper shit going on here, and I'm not the one to fix that.

[God]

Just now, Lester Retsel said:

You're reiterating very well known toxic talking points.  I don't have the time or energy to put into the re-education you require.  So, think what you like about me, about leo, there's deeper shit going on here, and I'm not the one to fix that.

Again, can't counter even a single point I made.  Don't be a sore loser.

[God]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

That's because he's not a troll.   You need to step up your game if you want a reasonable discussion with someone.

Try to counter a single point of mine.  I'll wait.

[Jonas Long]

2 minutes ago, God said:

Again, can't counter even a single point I made.  Don't be a sore loser.

I stand corrected, this is exactly how a "God realized" person expresses themselves.  Carry on, it is I who have much to learn. 

[God]

I've never had to put up with such childish behavior on Leo's forum.  I feel like I'm arguing with school-kids.  "No, u wrong!!  No, you dumb!".  This is not a great first impression.

[God]

6 minutes ago, Lester Retsel said:

I stand corrected, this is exactly how a "God realized" person expresses themselves.  Carry on, it is I who have much to learn. 

 

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

I've already determined you lack credibility.  You're not coming at things in good faith.

ad hominem

 

I've given you many chances.  I will stop wasting my time.  Grow up.

I now see why Leo banned you.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Jonas Long]

5 minutes ago, God said:

 

ad hominem

 

I've given you many chances.  I will stop wasting my time.  Grow up.

I now see why Leo banned you.

"You can't fire me, I quit!" LOL 

[Faith]

@God Nothing of what you said to @Lester Retsel had to do with why I called Leo a sexist pig, but if you don't see it for yourself and you follow Leo on the dating subforum then nothing said here will convince you. 

 

Just go to Actualized and read his posts. Maybe your mentality is in alignment to his regarding pick-up, pulling chick's, late night logistics, game, on and on, I heard it for 5 years. I flat out called him a sexist pig and he didn't deny it, yet you're saying he's not.

 

This is my opinion. Thank you.

[God]

6 minutes ago, Faith said:

@God Nothing of what you said to @Lester Retsel had to do with why I called Leo a sexist pig, but if you don't see it for yourself and you follow Leo on the dating subforum then nothing said here will convince you. 

 

Just go to Actualized and read his posts. Maybe your mentality is in alignment to his regarding pick-up, pulling chick's, late night logistics, game, on and on, I heard it for 5 years. I called him a sexist pig flat out and he didn't deny it, yet you're saying he's not.

 

This is my opinion. Thank you.

Thanks for your opinion.  I think it's weird how much time he spends writing about pickup, but I haven't seen anything bad from him myself.  I don't spend much time on the dating suforum, so maybe you saw something I haven't.  I'm open to the possibility of him being sexist, but I'd have to see evidence of this first.

 

I understand his intellect very well, and I'd consider it unlikely that he's a sexist pig.  From what I've seen, he's too aware to actually be sexist.  It would seem more likely that you misunderstood some of his comments or took them too literally.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Faith]

@God Ok, then you haven't seen YET, but you will if you frequent that subforum.

Anyways, as a woman many of his posts made me feel like kicking him in the balls! 😁

 

The over-all feel Leo gives off to me in that area is one of just using women for sex, regardless of the coincidence for the woman and that sucks.

[Faith]

9 minutes ago, God said:

From what I've seen, he's too aware to actually be sexist.  It would seem more likely that you misunderstood some of his comments or took them too literally.

Lol, oh honey. Ok, I'll leave you to this opinion you have. 

 

Peace ✌️ 

[God]

7 minutes ago, Faith said:

@God Ok, then you haven't seen YET, but you will if you frequent that subforum.

Anyways, many of his posts made me, as a women, feel like kicking him in the balls! 😁

 

The over-all feel Leo gives off to me in that area is one of just using women for sex, regardless of the coincidence for the woman and that sucks.

I think he may just be tailoring his advice for men.  Humans are still animals, and we still run on programming that's thousands/millions of years outdated.  Intellectually, you may be disgusted by the idea of men dominating women, but many people, men and women, are still heavily influenced by such genetic remnants from the past.  Leo's just recognized this, and is telling men to take advantage of this fact.

 

And why not?  Follow his advice, and you'll get sex from slutty women.  He's not wrong, and it doesn't harm anyone.  Everyone wins.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Adeptus Psychonautica]

4 hours ago, God said:

I wonder how many of the people who hate Leo have actually realized themselves as God🤔

 

Yeah, he talks too much about pick-up and personal development, but he's right about 95% of everything he talks about.  Most of what he says is just advanced common sense.  It takes a lot of "RAM" to understand some of his higher level concepts, but it's all pretty simple and self-evident.

On the flipside I wonder how many people who FOLLOW Leo have actually realized themselves as God? I don’t see much behavior in that community that is particularly convincing as an example of enilghted souls, and plenty that indicates group delusion, a lack of critical thinking, and a failure to integrate anything.

 

Just out of interest where did you pull this 95% figure of Leo being right? It seems like quite the bold claim for someone who isn’t even particularly aware of Leo’s output regarding dating. For my own example I would refer you to a video I made about some if his more outlandish claims - was he 95% right when he claimed he could cure all human diseases and ailments by squirting 5 MEO DMT up his asshole? Was he 95% right when he claimed that “awakening” would instantaneously solve every problem in a persons life? It seemed like quite a bold claim from someone with a chronic digestive disease and a porn addiction - what do you think?

 

Lets be real, you have pulled this 95% number out of your arse because you want it to be true, and it validates your faith in the leader. I can only advise that you do yourself (and Leo) the service to step back and really examine some of these claims critically. 
 

Sure, some stuff he says is true - after all most of it he is just parroting back from some book he read. Also a lot of it is just pure opinion which is fine, and you might agree with his opinion, but that doesn’t make it true.

 

Of course the real magic starts when he has one of his ever deepening “awakenings” and starts making bold claims about objective reality. Here I would say his content is more leaning towards 95% self aggrandizing dogshit 😀

 

I would completely agree that most of Leo’s utterings are very simple, self evident - well only to those who lack the ability to investigate such claims. Is there any in particular you would like to have a discussion with me about?

Edited April 13, 2022 by Adeptus Psychonautica

[God]

21 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said:

On the flipside I wonder how many people who FOLLOW Leo have actually realized themselves as God? I don’t see much behavior in that community that is particularly convincing as an example of enilghted souls, and plenty that indicates group delusion, a lack of critical thinking, and a failure to integrate anything.

 

Just out of interest where did you pull this 95% figure of Leo being right? It seems like quite the bold claim for someone who isn’t even particularly aware of Leo’s output regarding dating. For my own example I would refer you to a video I made about some if his more outlandish claims - was he 95% right when he claimed he could cure all human diseases and ailments by squirting 5 MEO DMT up his asshole? Was he 95% right when he claimed that “awakening” would instantaneously solve every problem in a persons life? It seemed like quite a bold claim from someone with a chronic digestive disease and a porn addiction - what do you think?

 

Lets be real, you have pulled this 95% number out of your arse because you want it to be true, and it validates your faith in the leader. I can only advise that you do yourself (and Leo) the service to step back and really examine some of these claims critically. 
 

Sure, some stuff he says is true - after all most of it he is just parroting back from some book he read. Also a lot of it is just pure opinion which is fine, and you might agree with his opinion, but that doesn’t make it true.

 

Of course the real magic starts when he has one of his ever deepening “awakenings” and starts making bold claims about objective reality. Here I would say his content is more leaning towards 95% self aggrandizing dogshit 😀

 

I would completely agree that most of Leo’s utterings are very simple, self evident - well only to those who lack the ability to investigate such claims. Is there any in particular you would like to have a discussion with me about?

Jeez, going for the low hanging fruit, are we?  Of course I didn't do a scientific study to come up with an exact figure of 95.0000%.   I meant he gets more than 9/10 things right, but less than 10/10.

 

The self-evident metaphysical concepts he talks about are all self-evident.  Nothing he says requires you to believe in anything.  Leo doesn't offer you dogma.  You either get them, or you don't.  He doesn't say "there are x number of dimensions, and the meaning of life is x, etc.".  If you're approaching this from a "what belief feels good" standpoint, then you will never understand what he talks about.  In religion you're expected to believe, but this is not what actualization is about.  If you believe ANYTHING he says, then you don't get it.  Belief is a sure-fire way to know you don't get it.  

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Adeptus Psychonautica]

1 minute ago, God said:

Jeez, going for the low hanging fruit, are we?  Of course I didn't do a scientific study to come up with an exact figure of 95.0000%.   I meant he gets more than 9/10 things right, but less than 10/10.

 

The self-evident metaphysical concepts he talks about are all self-evident.  Nothing he says requires you to believe in anything.  Leo doesn't offer you dogma.  You either get them, or you don't.  He doesn't say "there are x number of dimensions, and the meaning of life is x, etc.".  If you're approaching this from a "what belief feels good" standpoint, then you will never understand what he talks about.  

Its not so much that you didn’t do a “scientific study, its more that you simply pulled a figure out of your arse in order to validate your case. Interestingly this is exactly what Leo does so he has taught you well 😀

 

So again - where are you getting your amended 9 out of 10 from? (I like how we just lost 5% of certainty 🙂). Is it just wishful thinking? Thats a rhetorical question btw because I think we both know that you have no idea how much of what Leo says is “right”. I understand that YOU believe its right, but I doubt you could actually defend any of those beliefs - would you like to put some of them to the test?

 

And I hate to rain on your parade but Leo foes indeed make dogmatic claims - like ALL THE FUCKING TIME 🤣

 

His recent solipsism video contains plenty of exactly what you claim he never says. He has stated on multiple occasions that the sole meaning of life is to awaken to yourself as god, if you don’t do this then you are wasting your life, that solipsism is absolutely true, and that if you deny that then you are wrong because he has “scientifically” validated it.

 

Of course none of this is “correct”, its simply opinion, and honestly his thinking has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

 

In regard to your last point - I understand exactly what he is talking about and have the ability to put his ideas to the test. I would offer that it is actually YOU who is approaching your beloved Leo from the perspective of “what feels good” to the degree that you are pulling fictitious statistics out of your arse to make yourself look more credible.

 

You are going to have to try harder mate, things are different here outside of the echo chamber 😁

 

 

[God]

23 minutes ago, Adeptus Psychonautica said:

Its not so much that you didn’t do a “scientific study, its more that you simply pulled a figure out of your arse in order to validate your case. Interestingly this is exactly what Leo does so he has taught you well 😀

 

So again - where are you getting your amended 9 out of 10 from? (I like how we just lost 5% of certainty 🙂). Is it just wishful thinking? Thats a rhetorical question btw because I think we both know that you have no idea how much of what Leo says is “right”. I understand that YOU believe its right, but I doubt you could actually defend any of those beliefs - would you like to put some of them to the test?

 

And I hate to rain on your parade but Leo foes indeed make dogmatic claims - like ALL THE FUCKING TIME 🤣

 

His recent solipsism video contains plenty of exactly what you claim he never says. He has stated on multiple occasions that the sole meaning of life is to awaken to yourself as god, if you don’t do this then you are wasting your life, that solipsism is absolutely true, and that if you deny that then you are wrong because he has “scientifically” validated it.

 

Of course none of this is “correct”, its simply opinion, and honestly his thinking has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

 

In regard to your last point - I understand exactly what he is talking about and have the ability to put his ideas to the test. I would offer that it is actually YOU who is approaching your beloved Leo from the perspective of “what feels good” to the degree that you are pulling fictitious statistics out of your arse to make yourself look more credible.

 

You are going to have to try harder mate, things are different here outside of the echo chamber 😁

 

 

Wait.. you don't understand solipsism?  You do realise you can only experience that which your brain produces for you, yes?  You have never left your mind, and never will.  That's self-evident.  I hope this much is clear at least.

 

and omg.. did you never learn "estimates" in school?  Would it make you happier if I said "overwhelming majority" instead?  Saying 95% is quicker and more accurate to what I feel to be a good estimate.

 

In regard to your last point - you didn't even address my point and simply made a vague generalization, not at all conducive to our discussion here..

 

Oh and.. no need for the snark remarks.  Makes you seem insecure and immature.  You've got yourself an even more concentrated echo chamber here.  On Leo's forum, plenty of people are critical of Leo, and plenty are not.  It's balanced.  Here's it's nothing but an echo chamber of hate.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[God]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

You said it/wrote that though.  Be more careful in your word choice.

"overwhelming majority" and 95% are the same thing.

"overwhelming majority" just means roughly 85%+.. which includes 95%

 

"super overwhelming majority", which might be more specific, is not a term in use.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Kevin]

14 minutes ago, God said:

Wait.. you don't understand solipsism?  You do realise you can only experience that which your brain produces for you, yes?  You have never left your mind, and never will.  That's self-evident.  I hope this much is clear at least.

 

and omg.. did you never learn "estimates" in school?  Would it make you happier if I said "overwhelming majority" instead?  Saying 95% is quicker and more accurate to what I feel to be a good estimate.

 

In regard to your last point - you didn't even address my point and simply made a vague generalization, not at all conducive to our discussion here..

 

Oh and.. no need for the snark remarks.  Makes you seem insecure and immature.  You've got yourself an even more concentrated echo chamber here.  On Leo's forum, plenty of people are critical of Leo, and plenty are not.  It's balanced.  Here's it's nothing but an echo chamber of hate.

If you believe in solipsism why are you telling us about it in somewhat of an aggressive manner?

[God]

10 minutes ago, Kevin said:

If you believe in solipsism why are you telling us about it in somewhat of an aggressive manner?

I am as calm as a.. [insert calm thing here]😌

 

And * sigh *

Why must you "believe" or "disbelieve" something?  We're not in church school anymore.

Is it theoretically possible for you to ever experience anything outside your brain, during your life?  Tell me.

 

Your body has senses which send signals to the brain.  They all get interpreted as "the world" in your brain, yes? So tell me.  Tell me about the world outside your mind that you've experienced, since solipsism is just a dumb weird belief.

Edited April 13, 2022 by God

[Iesu]

7 minutes ago, God said:

I am as calm as a.. [insert calm thing here]😌

 

And * sigh *

Why must you "believe" or "disbelieve" something?  We're not in church school anymore.

Is it theoretically possible for you to ever experience anything outside your brain, during your life?  Tell me.

 

Your body has senses which send signals to the brain.  They all get interpreted as "the world" in your brain, yes? So tell me.  Tell me about the world outside your mind that you've experienced, since solipsism is just a dumb weird belief.

Last time I checked you're still everything, nothing, everywhere and nowhere. And also none of the above hehe