Blessed2 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 @James123 Said this would be a good topic starter. Who surrenders? If there is no separate self, who surrenders? And surrender to what? Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The framing of surrender as selves & a what is only one interpretation. It’s more limited than recognized. There are more aligned interpretations that frankly, you do not want to hear and will not pursue or allow even curiosity. Though they are indeed aligned, you would hate me for even pointing it out. It would throw your next weeks or maybe even months into such a profound gut wrenching release of conditioning that you would despise the very thought of me for the rest of your life. Unless you followed through. In that case you would love me more than is conceivable, imaginable or believable. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, Blessed2 said: @James123 Said this would be a good topic starter. Who surrenders? If there is no separate self, who surrenders? And surrender to what? Do you think that these are sentences? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 (edited) 9 hours ago, Phil said: The framing of surrender as selves & a what is only one interpretation. It’s more limited than recognized. There are more aligned interpretations that frankly, you do not want to hear and will not pursue or allow even curiosity. Though they are indeed aligned, you would hate me for even pointing it out. It would throw your next weeks or maybe even months into such a profound gut wrenching release of conditioning that you would despise the very thought of me for the rest of your life. Unless you followed through. In that case you would love me more than is conceivable, imaginable or believable. Well now you sparked my interest. But no, I don't want to hear it. Edited January 8 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, James123 said: Do you think that these are sentences? Sure. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 13 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: Sure. So you still have separate self Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 17 minutes ago, James123 said: So you still have separate self Because "you" believe that these are sentences and you are in the world. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 30 minutes ago, James123 said: So you still have separate self Who has the separate self? Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, James123 said: Because "you" believe that these are sentences and you are in the world. Okay. What does this have to do with surrender? Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 28 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: Okay. What does this have to do with surrender? When you completely surrender you realize now is before or after so called birth. And no one is talking or writing now. Nothing is happening, has happened and will happen. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Blessed2 said: But no, I don't want to hear it. I can't tell, was that an incredibly brave thing to say or the opposite? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 21 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Who surrenders? If there is no separate self, who surrenders? And surrender to what? How about… what is surrendered? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 16 hours ago, Phil said: The framing of surrender as selves & a what is only one interpretation. It’s more limited than recognized. There are more aligned interpretations that frankly, you do not want to hear and will not pursue or allow even curiosity. Though they are indeed aligned, you would hate me for even pointing it out. It would throw your next weeks or maybe even months into such a profound gut wrenching release of conditioning that you would despise the very thought of me for the rest of your life. Unless you followed through. In that case you would love me more than is conceivable, imaginable or believable. I wanna know. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 5 hours ago, Mandy said: I can't tell, was that an incredibly brave thing to say or the opposite? 😁😁 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 38 minutes ago, Phil said: How about… what is surrendered? Hmm... Control, maybe? But is there really even control to begin with? Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 (edited) Maybe the separate self itself is the activity of resistance. Edited January 8 by Blessed2 Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Maybe it's allowing thoughts to feel like they do. And they already feel like they do. So is surrender not already the case in that sense? Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 @Blessed2 Ever notice how the emotional scale isn't linear but circular? Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 50 minutes ago, Mandy said: @Blessed2 Ever notice how the emotional scale isn't linear but circular? Seems pretty linear to me. 🤔 Fear is not joy. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 22 hours ago, Blessed2 said: Hmm... Control, maybe? But is there really even control to begin with? I meant like really specifically. Ime cigerettes, cigars, over drinking & overeating / eating late at night. These were just given up basically. Surrendered. No one surrender these, and these weren’t surrendered to anyone. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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