Alexander Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Mine are nicotine and caffeine. I am working on quiting smoking but without success I relapse on 2nd or 3rd day.It's so difficult. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual dreams Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 currently working on quitting porn and compulsive thinking. After healing from trauma, It's a lot easier to quit addictions. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Alcohol, nicotine and caffeine. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Porn 😉 First step, remove the " your", second step, recognize it fundamentally as aversion. Essentially not meditation, not letting thoughts go, not recognizing thought activity as....thought activity. Also, aversion is avoiding emotions, pain, feelings, and going into thought activity in an attempt to numb that feeling. Edited October 25, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual dreams Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 @Orb yup porn is a super difficult addiction because it's free, always available and it takes advantage of our natural sexual urges. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 17 hours ago, spiritual dreams said: @Orb yup porn is a super difficult addiction because it's free, always available and it takes advantage of our natural sexual urges. Do you meditate daily? Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual dreams Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 @Orb I used to but I'm taking a break from pretty much all spiritual practices that might arouse kundalini. Meditation helped a bit but never uncovered the root cause. IFS helped heal a lot of my traumas that I was using porn to cope with and so definitely lessened my addiction. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, spiritual dreams said: @Orb I used to but I'm taking a break from pretty much all spiritual practices that might arouse kundalini. Meditation helped a bit but never uncovered the root cause. IFS helped heal a lot of my traumas that I was using porn to cope with and so definitely lessened my addiction. The point of meditation is emptying out and not identifying with thoughts that arise. This naturally results in aversion diminishing. In other words, with daily meditation the tendency to turn to porn, nicotine, etc. actually goes down. It doesn't involve any effort, the "hunger" for it just starts diminishing. Day by day you those habits are forgotten, the healing (withdrawal) is also a lot quicker since the body is unfettered from thought identification. The kundalini stuff is great! But be very careful to recognize that the separate self is the one saying "I'm gonna take a break from meditation because of the kundalini". It's creating an excuse to rationalize more thought activity. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual dreams Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 @Orb yeah true Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Orb said: The kundalini stuff is great! But be very careful to recognize that the separate self is the one saying "I'm gonna take a break from meditation because of the kundalini". It's creating an excuse to rationalize more thought activity. It could be, but it could also be your intuition telling you that you need to ease off so that you don't completely overwhelm your nervous system. One thing I found out the hard way is that the body and mind do have their limits, I ended up feeling fried and having to take an extended break from meditation because I'd been pushing myself too hard. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Daniel said: It could be, but it could also be your intuition telling you that you need to ease off so that you don't completely overwhelm your nervous system. One thing I found out the hard way is that the body and mind do have their limits, I ended up feeling fried and having to take an extended break from meditation because I'd been pushing myself too hard. Meditation isn't like the gym where you need rest days. Meditation is just not identifying with thought and therefore feeling/sensation/awareness is uncovered. Kundalini stuff can happen sure, but not identifying with thought will only be more helpful on the process and likely speed the emptying up of the body imo. Edited October 25, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Maynor Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 My biggest current addiction is to the status quo in too many areas of my life instead of having the courage to change more stuff that ain't right and causes me stupid suffering first and foremost. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Orb said: Meditation isn't like the gym where you need rest days. Meditation is just not identifying with thought and therefore feeling/sensation/awareness is uncovered. Kundalini stuff can happen sure, but not identifying with thought will only be more helpful on the process and likely speed the emptying up of the body imo. Hasn't been my experience in practice, I've found that there have been times where it's been beneficial to ease off a little, and persisting with the practice has actually been counter-productive. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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