What Political Values do you Align With Most?

[Orb]

Just curious, answers are anonymous 🙂 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Orb

[Devin]

I feel like our current political environment is in the midst of an identity crisis, do you mean say last ten years for what defines left and right or the last 7?

[Orb]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

I feel like our current political environment is in the midst of an identity crisis, do you mean say last ten years for what defines left and right or the last 7?

Essentially, what political values do you align with? That's what the poll is for.

 

I've re-worded the title to make it clearer.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Orb

[Devin]

I'm a mixed bag like most people.

 

The only things I don't really agree with the left on are

1.) More entitlements; I support free college to lower income, welfare, housing, disability, ... but we already have that stuff, I don't agree with just arbitrarily taking money from the wealthy and giving it to the middle class, that actually infuriates me because I think it's based on such a lie and greed.

 

2.) I support the death penalty, albeit sparingly and with great consideration. I support law enforcement, albeit not tyrants or murderous police. I oppose the so called war on drugs though.

 

3.) I don't support unions, I support workers, but not unions.

 

4.) I hate the b.s. uppity idiocy of things like the current actors and screen writers strike. Look at the wealthy stars supporting it, it doesn't make sense, why don't they just start their own studio then instead of wanting to work for these so called unethical studios they're protesting.

 

Probably a few more, I think traditions have value.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Devin

[Devin]

11 minutes ago, Orb said:

Essentially, what political values do you align with? That's what the poll is for.

What's considered left and right today is drastically different than 7 years ago, and before then the terms were very stable.

[Orb]

@Devin yea most people are mixed bags myself included. 

 

I agree with the entitlements you brought up to a certain extent.

 

I'm just talking about right wing and left wing ideas, which should be the same throughout the decades. 

 

Feel free to add links or videos explaining both in a non biased way, would be helpful 🙂. 

 

I'm betting most people who speak about left/right wing stuff may not even full understand both sides. I'm gonna do some more research myself. 

[Devin]

9 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Devin yea most people are mixed bags myself included. 

 

I agree with the entitlements you brought up to a certain extent.

 

I'm just talking about right wing and left wing ideas, which should be the same throughout the decades. 

 

Feel free to add links or videos explaining both in a non biased way, would be helpful 🙂. 

 

I'm betting most people who speak about left/right wing stuff may not even full understand both sides. I'm gonna do some more research myself. 

       Both wings extreme ends have gained more popularity in recent years, left did not mean socialist and right did not mean fascist.

 

       Left meant; enviro, working-class, helping the poor up, education, infrastructure, civil and personal liberties

 

     while right meant; tradition(anti gay, pro evangelical), military, trickle down economics, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, taxes are unnecessary and theft.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Devin

[Orb]

@Devin yea dude the amount of people calling anyone even remotely right wing a fascist is insane. It's like people forget how to use Google 😂. 

 

Although on extreme ends left is socialism and right is fascism. 

 

A healthy balance of both seems ideal. What are the healthy aspects of both I wonder.

[Orb]

4 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

Yes, those are characteristics associated with fascism, not the average right leaning person.

[Devin]

26 minutes ago, Orb said:

@Devin 

Although on extreme ends left is socialism and right is fascism. 

I disagree, left is democracy, right would be monarchy

 

The terms left and right are from the French revolution, from their left and right seats in parliament, right were supporters of the monarchy, left were democracy supporters.

[Devin]

Socialism is not democracy, it is a form of fascism actually.

[Orb]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

Socialism is not democracy, it is a form of fascism actually.

I know, the irony is incredible 😂. 

 

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

I disagree, left is democracy, right would be monarchy

 

The terms left and right are from the French revolution, from their left and right seats in parliament, right were supporters of the monarchy, left were democracy supporters.

 

I looked into what you said and more specifically the Left wing was referred to as the "Party of Movement", and the Right wing was referred to as the "Party of Order". Not necessarily democracy vs monarchy imo. 

 

They seem to balance each other no? Seems like if you veer too much to one side it becomes authoritarianism. 

[Orb]

7 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

What does the average right-leaning person stand for?

Hard to say. I've spoken to a lot of right leaning people over here, they have mostly been very ethical, kind, and respectable people. They all have individual interests so it's hard to put them all in the same basket. 

 

I'd say, valuing tradition, a strong nation, feeling proud of their country, the nuclear family, a "natural order", and of course they love capitalism.

 

The idea that right leaning people are fascist is laughable when you actually leave your house and speak to them and befriend them. 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Orb

[Devin]

Just now, Orb said:

 

I looked into what you said and more specifically the Left wing was referred to as the "Party of Movement", and the Right wing was referred to as the "Party of Order". 

         Yes, the benefit of a monarch is that one person can make the decisions, it isn't some revolving group of people changing customs, there's much more Order, this is why a single person is in charge of the Executive branch here, because in times of emergency we cannot wait on a commitment and vote and politicking, the one person is given that authority.

 

        Party of movement; more change happens with democracy, there's less order, when one person or family is in charge there's obviously going to be hesitation to change because it would be an admission of fault, which is a sign of incompetence.

[Devin]

The terms "left" and "right" first appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the Ancien Regime to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

 

[Devin]

8 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

What? Please explain!

Do socialists want to go by the popular vote or just force everyone to go by what they want?

[Devin]

8 minutes ago, Orb said:

They seem to balance each other no? Seems like if you veer too much to one side it becomes authoritarianism. 

 

I don't see it that way, because in my opinion left doesn't mean socialism and right doesn't mean fascism. Democracy and Monarchy don't balance eachother, I think either can work and which is more appropriate depends on the citizens of the nation, democracy is better if you have an educated and moral citizenry, otherwise a monarchy is better.

[Orb]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

         Yes, the benefit of a monarch is that one person can make the decisions, it isn't some revolving group of people changing customs, there's much more Order, this is why a single person is in charge of the Executive branch here, because in times of emergency we cannot wait on a commitment and vote and politicking, the one person is given that authority.

 

        Party of movement; more change happens with democracy, there's less order, when one person or family is in charge there's obviously going to be hesitation to change because it would be an admission of fault, which is a sign of incompetence.

I hear you. 

 

But like you mentioned earlier. The definitions of left and right have changed significantly, and to prevent confusion I'd rather go by the modern understanding. 

 

Indicated here: 

 

Left wing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

 

 

Right wing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

[Orb]

Just now, Devin said:

 

I don't see it that way, because in my opinion left doesn't mean socialism and right doesn't mean fascism. Democracy and Monarchy don't balance eachother, I think either can work and which is more appropriate depends on the citizens of the nation, democracy is better if you have an educated and moral citizenry, otherwise a monarchy is better.

Yes but the use if it nowadays is a bit misleading. 

 

Like for the modern American, what does "democracy" mean in terms of political alignment, does that mean valuing tradition, individual responsibility, or egalitarianism, charity, etc. 

 

When you use that old left/right model of course everyone wants to pick "democracy", but what does that actually mean?

[Devin]

6 minutes ago, DMT Elf said:

Definitely popular vote. If our electoral system was based on popular vote, conservatives wouldn’t stand a chance.

No, I mean on the issues, say 70% of Americans oppose; tax increases, universal basic income, free college, .... socialists would still try to force those to be passed, that's fascist like

 

According to a recent poll, the vast majority of Americans oppose Biden's tax hike. Even the left-leaning Tax Policy Center has warned this tax scheme “won't work” and is “ripe for abuse.” The poll found: Overall, Americans oppose taxing unrealized gains by a 3 to 1 ratio, 75 percent – 25 percent.Mar 30, 2022

https://waysandmeans.house.gov › ...

POLL: Majority of Americans Oppose Biden's Latest Tax Hike Scheme

Edited August 28, 2023 by Devin