Phil Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, Someone here said: how would you falsify solipsism though ? Beliefs can’t be falsified because (obviously) they’re already beliefs. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Phil said: Beliefs can’t be falsified because (obviously) they’re already beliefs. Ok so..Beliefs =Beliefs. Beliefs are Beliefs..yeah..no shit sherlock.. I asked how do you know solipsism Is a Belief ? Have you ever been conscious of anybody else but you ? Have you ever stepped outside of your direct experience and checked whether there are anyone else that is conscious but you ? If you can't test that (and you indeed can't) then that should make you a little bit suspicious at least . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Someone here said: Ok so..Beliefs =Beliefs. Beliefs are Beliefs..yeah..no shit sherlock.. I asked how do you know solipsism Is a Belief ? Have you ever been conscious of anybody else but you ? Have you ever stepped outside of your direct experience and checked whether there are anyone else that is conscious but you ? If you can't test that (and you indeed can't) then that should make you a little bit suspicious at least . If I am not conscious, how can you be exist? Same thing goes for you. Or if I am not conscious how can solipsm or belief be exists? Edited July 7, 2023 by James123 Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, James123 said: If I am not conscious, how can you be exist? Same thing goes for you. In direct experience only I am conscious.I can't be sure that you are conscious it goes even deeper you are just figment of my imagination. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, James123 said: If I am not conscious, how can you be exist? Same thing goes for you. Or if I am not conscious how can solipsm or belief be exists? I don't understand your question. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alexander said: In direct experience only I am conscious.I can't be sure that you are conscious it goes even deeper you are just figment of my imagination. Where were you before your birth, you are god, so god wasn't exist and god is human? What a god 🙂 Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Someone here said: I don't understand your question. When you are in deep sleep, is there any solipsism? Or me or belief? Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, James123 said: Where were you before your birth, you are god, so god wasn't exist and god is human? What a god 🙂 Death and birth are just appearances/imagination on my Awareness/Conciosness.I am eternal just like God is supposed to be. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Someone here said: Have you ever been conscious of anybody else but you ? Have you ever been conscious of "you"? 9 minutes ago, Someone here said: Have you ever stepped outside of your direct experience and checked whether there are anyone else that is conscious but you ? How do you know you are conscious? You see this is the issue with solipsism, it assumes that there is a "me" that is conscious in the first place, which is false. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, James123 said: When you are in deep sleep, is there any solipsism? Or me or belief? No . Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Orb said: Have you ever been conscious of "you"? How do you know you are conscious? You see this is the issue with solipsism, it assumes that there is a "me" that is conscious in the first place, which is false. Please check your direct experience. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Someone here said: No . So you create it via thinking, including you that believe "you' and "solipsism ". 1 minute ago, Alexander said: Please check your direct experience. Do not trust anything that learned by humans. If you are experiencing now, that's ego. The experience is survival mechanism. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Orb said: Have you ever been conscious of "you"? Depends on the definition of "you ". First tell me How do you define "you "..then I will answer. 2 minutes ago, Orb said: How do you know you are conscious? It's self-evident . I'm conscious that I'm conscious. 3 minutes ago, Orb said: You see this is the issue with solipsism, it assumes that there is a "me" that is conscious in the first place, which is false. So you don't exist? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Alexander said: Please check your direct experience. I have lol, there is no "you" that is conscious. Consciousness is, yet there are no selves who are conscious. There is neither self nor other, neither subject nor object. So how can there be a "me" that's the only conscious being in existence? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Orb said: I have lol, there is no "you" that is conscious. Consciousness is, yet there are no selves who are conscious. There is neither self nor other, neither subject nor object. So how can there be a "me" that's the only conscious being in existence? Because that me is not separated from Consciousness. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone here Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, James123 said: So you create it via thinking, including you that believe "you' and "solipsism ". There is some truth to this .unless I hold in my mind the idea of solipsism its not there . But even more so ...aren't you doing the same thing with the notion of "others "? Aren't you thinking about them as well ? If you stopped thinking about "others " ..what is left ? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Someone here said: There is some truth to this .unless I hold in my mind the idea of solipsism its not there . But even more so ...aren't you doing the same thing with the notion of "others "? Aren't you thinking about them as well ? If you stopped thinking about "others " ..what is left ? Nothing left, and that's what you really are. You got itttt. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alexander said: Because that me is not separated from Consciousness. What is that me? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 7, 2023 Author Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, James123 said: Nothing left, and that's what you really are. You got itttt. Nothing is everything.That's why I am ever present Awareness (I am).I am only Being the One.I am God. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James123 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alexander said: Nothing is everything.That's why I am ever present Awareness (I am).I am only Being the One.I am God. If nothing is really everything, sound of a and b has no difference than each other. So saying I am god is not 1 it is 2. Therefore, you are not god. LoL. If you can understand what I am saying, you are not god. LoL. Quote Mention "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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