Do we really know anything?

[Forza21]

It seems like reality is a magician that can appear as whatever it likes with no limits whatsoever, right?

 

so how do we even know that it's really infinite being/unconditional love? Could it be another framework/believe ?

there are like BILLION theories what reality is all about, all kind of ISM (materialism, idealism, solipsism/Catholicism...till infinity) 
 

there are like BILLION theories what happens after death

ALSO people which say that reality is INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS and people which are into spirituality as well, who  says it's yet another stage/beliefs. 

and all those people, believing whatever, ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE that their framework is correct.

And we, by nature, are picky - we tend to believe what we like, and dismiss what we don't like.

Is there any way to actually know anything?

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by Forza21

[Mandy]

How do you know when you have an epiphany, what is a lightbulb moment marked by? 

 

What's meant by "magic" really is the lack of frameworks or limitations, it's not the addition of a new power or understanding. 

[James123]

4 hours ago, Forza21 said:

It seems like reality is a magician that can appear as whatever it likes with no limits whatsoever, right?

 

so how do we even know that it's really infinite being/unconditional love? Could it be another framework/believe ?

there are like BILLION theories what reality is all about, all kind of ISM (materialism, idealism, solipsism/Catholicism...till infinity) 
 

there are like BILLION theories what happens after death

ALSO people which say that reality is INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS and people which are into spirituality as well, who  says it's yet another stage/beliefs. 

and all those people, believing whatever, ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE that their framework is correct.

And we, by nature, are picky - we tend to believe what we like, and dismiss what we don't like.

Is there any way to actually know anything?

 

Anything you say i say, they say or others says is just a personal opinion. Has nothing to do with Truth. 

[Someone here]

It's simple ..reality is exactly what is  appearing in front of you right now .

All else is bullshit. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by Someone here

[Phil]

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

It seems like reality is a magician that can appear as whatever it likes with no limits whatsoever, right?

The magician is the magic, the magic is the magician. Similar to a nighttime dream; the dreamer is the dream and the dream is the dreamer. 

Infinite would indeed mean without any limitation whatsoever, as any limitation, assertion or opposition would be other than infinite. 

But what are the inherent implications of infinite? If infinite be’s a world for example, how does infinite experience a world, given that there isn’t a world because infinite is, infinite?

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

so how do we even know that it's really infinite being/unconditional love? Could it be another framework/believe ?

There is no actual experience of we know. There’s seemingly an experience of I know. Yet, that experience is of the thought ‘I know’. That I isn’t found in perception or sensation, only in thought. What about that which is aware of, conscious of the thought ‘I’, and or ‘I know’? 

Self Inquiry

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

there are like BILLION theories what reality is all about, all kind of ISM (materialism, idealism, solipsism/Catholicism...till infinity) 

Ism’s by default of being ism’s are, ism’s. A thought (ism) cannot be the absolute truth, as consciousness is conscious of, the thought ‘ism’, just like the thoughts ‘I’ & ‘I know’. 

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

there are like BILLION theories what happens after death

Who could know that there is death? (They’d be dead)

Death is based on the assumptions ‘I was born’ & ‘something’s happening’; neither have ever actually been experienced. Thoughts about may be experienced, but thoughts aren’t experienced as (finite) things. The thought, ‘there are finite things’, isn’t a finite thing. If it seems like it is, just point to it. 

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

ALSO people which say that reality is INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS and people which are into spirituality as well, who  says it's yet another stage/beliefs. 

Infinite means no finite. If there is finite, no matter what said finite ‘thing’ is, then there isn’t infinite. 

That reality is infinite consciousness could be experienced as a belief. What’s conscious of that belief? Consciousness. 

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

and all those people, believing whatever, ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE that their framework is correct.

By framework, what’s mean is thoughts. Thoughts appear. That the framework is apparent is correct. ‘Framework’ is an apparent thought. 

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

And we, by nature, are picky - we tend to believe what we like, and dismiss what we don't like.

There’s no experience of ‘we’re picky’. 

 

5 hours ago, Forza21 said:

Is there any way to actually know anything?

What would there be for an infinite being to know? 

Even itself, being infinite, it would already be. 

When it is said “infinite being” - infinite being would have no idea what you’re talking about. 

If you said to God, “there is a God”, God would be like “uh, maybe, dunno”. 

[MetaSage]

We know pretty much nothing. We're ignorant. Vastly so. 😉 

Edited June 15, 2023 by MetaSage

[nonduallogic]

Whenever you put "it" into words, it becomes another stream of words amongst endless other streams of words. 

[Someone here]

12 hours ago, MetaSage said:

No, we don't know pretty much anything.

Do you realize the paradox here ?

[Orb]

@Forza21 Instead of questioning Knowing, question the knower, is there someone who knows anything?

[MetaSage]

On 6/14/2023 at 1:25 PM, Someone here said:

Do you realize the paradox here ?

 

Still true. 

 

Plain fact that we're ignorant about fundamental stuff. WE're not conscious of what we are, what emotions are, what perception is, what existence is, what another is, what communication is, what sentience is, what an object is. We pretend to know and are in denial of the fact. We gather up assumptions and make up stories but they don't change the ignorance, they add on top of it.

Edited June 15, 2023 by MetaSage

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, MetaSage said:

 

Still true. 

 

Plain fact that we're ignorant about fundamental stuff. WE're not conscious of what we are, what emotions are, what perception is, what existence is, what another is, what communication is, what sentience is, what an object is. We pretend to know and are in denial of the fact. We gather up assumptions and make up stories but they don't change the ignorance, they add on top of it.

That's  not what I meant .

You said we don't know anything...isnt that a contradiction?  Because you know that you don't know .

[MetaSage]

22 hours ago, Someone here said:

That's  not what I meant .

You said we don't know anything...isnt that a contradiction?  Because you know that you don't know .

I don't know, ask Socrates. 😛 

 

A recognition of one's ignorance. It's a different knowing. It's the human condition. 

 

Why would it have to be logical? It isn't hard to notice it, despite the apparent contradiction. It gets to your bones and marrow. 😉