Orb Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. My family is mostly Christian and against gay marriage. The reason why makes sense but doesn't resonate for me. Essentially from the Christian perspective God created man and woman for each other, so man and man or woman and woman together would not be consistent with the way God created us. I myself am sexually open, I'd say I'm pansexual, but the Christian argument is hard to take down lol. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual dreams Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 what is the distinction between natural and unnatural? Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 @spiritual dreams Id say unnatural is out of alignment with balance. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Can't teach an old God new tricks.. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Jonas Long said: Can't teach an old God new tricks.. Good one 😄🥴 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 47 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: God didn’t create man and woman. Man and woman created man and woman. Gender is a social construct. I understand that gender is a social construct. But it's undeniable that sexually there is male and female, this exists in most life forms even plants. 48 minutes ago, DMT Elf said: The “Christian perspective” is the root of countless acts of violence, hate crime, and murder. And is the justification behind laws intended to discriminate. Agreed. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Orb said: I understand that gender is a social construct. But it's undeniable that sexually there is male and female, this exists in most life forms even plants. Agreed. Male and female is a spectrum and not a duality, even in nature. There are animals that change gender mid life, animals that have both sex parts and reproduce on their own, animals that have no gender, etc. There is also homosexuality, asexuality and every possible variance in between among animals. All human beings began life in the womb as "female" and some become "male" later on(before birth) also throughout history almost every known culture is known to have had transgender individuals, gay individuals, ace, pan, etc. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Male and female is a spectrum and not a duality, even in nature. There are animals that change gender mid life, animals that have both sex parts and reproduce on their own, animals that have no gender, etc. There is also homosexuality, asexuality and every possible variance in between among animals. All human beings began life in the womb as "female" and some become "male" later on(before birth) also throughout history almost every known culture is known to have had transgender individuals, gay individuals, ace, pan, etc. Great explanation, what's the difference between sex and gender? Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Orb said: Great explanation, what's the difference between sex and gender? Sex usually refers to primary biological sexual characteristics ie genitalia, gender is basically what is imposed on individuals based on what primary(and secondary) sexual characteristics they have by society. Edited April 30, 2023 by Jonas Long Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: Male and female is a spectrum and not a duality, even in nature. There are animals that change gender mid life, animals that have both sex parts and reproduce on their own, animals that have no gender, etc. There is also homosexuality, asexuality and every possible variance in between among animals. All human beings began life in the womb as "female" and some become "male" later on(before birth) also throughout history almost every known culture is known to have had transgender individuals, gay individuals, ace, pan, etc. I mistakenly used the word "gender" a few times when I should have used "sex", my bad. Certain animals change sex midlife, have no sex, etc. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Hate is unnatural. Quote Mention Youtube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Orb said: Essentially from the Christian perspective God created man and woman for each other, so man and man or woman and woman together would not be consistent with the way God created us. I myself am sexually open, I'd say I'm pansexual, but the Christian argument is hard to take down Meanwhile in reality… no one’s actually experiencing a created, a God or an us. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Phil said: God or an us. Lol Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jonas Long Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: God or an us. Looks like God or anus. Sorry Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 @Jonas Long Have you never seen the SNL Jeopardy sketches!? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Phil said: @Jonas Long Have you never seen the SNL Jeopardy sketches!? I thought I had....I don't even know anymore Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phil Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 @Orb The Great Christian Misunderstanding. The collective ignorance and judgement is very related to the issues with boredom, distraction, substance / emotion rollercoaster etc. Definitely don’t internalize it, it’s judgment which is truly unnatural. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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