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8 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
Certainly not conscious creating and a vision board. I think that's awesome.....it's awesome for developing the self. It's terrible for spirituality. Spirituality is about no mind, no self. But there is a duality here. What I am pissed about is how he injects the Absolute everywhere...blindly. while there is no self in the Absolute sense there is certainly a self that can dream and have a dreamboard.
Which is exactly my point..there seems to be contradiction between claiming there is nobody doing anything and saying you create your dream life .
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5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:
There's no thinker either. That one is more profound to catch. It was for me at least. Do doer, no body, no mind, no self, no people. Only the Self exists.
I understand. And I agree . But you are speaking from a so much absolutism pov. what about the relative world when we make distinctions for practicality ? What about free will ? Do you think humans have free will or is everything predestined from the get go?
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@Robed Mystic also answer my dm.
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1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:
A vision board has nothing to do with what we are discussing
Then what is it that you've called "crap "? I talked about free will and consciously creating using a vision board
Is that what you call crap ?
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7 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
crap
Why are you calling it crap? Have you tried using a vision board yourself before judging?
Two years ago I was on the brink of suicide because I didn't have a girlfriend and it was truly a thorn in my side ..but I used affirmations ..Loa..vision board and I attracted a girl in my college and fucked her brains out.. I have shared it on actialized ..I felt on top of the world
.(although we broke up recently lol)
Don't call it crap just because you disagree. Just say it doesn't resonate
Remember this is Phil's forum not yours ..so I if in your shoes I would not be so confronting and obnoxious..don't get surprised if he kicks you out.
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27 minutes ago, Phil said:
doer, is again thoughts on behalf of a separate
A quick question please..
If There is no doer ..how does free will fit into the big picture of conscious creating ? If there is nobody doing anything..that means the 'apparent' individual/human character is not in control of neither his thoughts nor his actions and thereby completely powerless as to how his life unfolds ..right?....but then you teach stuff like "you are the sole creator of reality ".."write your desires on the dreamboard " and wait for it to show up in your life ..how to bridge these two together?
I know I've asked you this plenty in the past but its honestly fucking my mind hard lol😂 ..I can't get it .
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4 hours ago, Phil said:
You’re infinite. Stability & security are not an issue. There are these thoughts, and there is the guidance of emotion. There is also aversion & suppression, such as believing there is a separate self, the knower.
It might be clarifying to note ‘the emperor’s new clothes’. The point is you’re already naked. So to speak. You can ‘put on all kinds of knowing / clothes’. You’re still naked obviously / there is still how thoughts you’re appearing as feel to you. You are Being, being.
Might also be clarifying to notice the comparison implied by thought. To derive ‘this state of consciousness’ is to compare with ‘that state of consciousness’. Where is this state of consciousness and that state of consciousness? Thought / memory, isn’t it? Perhaps there’s an opportunity to notice and no longer believe comparative thoughts, and to feel the emotion of comparative thoughts.
Pain is bodily & localized. As in can be pointed to. Suffering is not, and can’t be pointed to.
Something to consider if interested… emotional suppression doesn’t hold up in relationships like theories & concepts don’t hold up in two way conversations (communication). A one-way video can be very convincing as consciousness is innocence & must initially overlook the reality of itself (Being, being). The free monthly two-way calls may be more conducive to relationships than one-way videos. Consider the relationships and or isolation of the source of the theories, in the ‘is what you’re convinced of & emulating conducive with what you actually want to create & experience’ sense. Make sense?
Also if interested, consider the obviousness of the discord not only relationships wise, but health & well-being wise, and maybe allow some exercise. Draw directly of the source vs resources.
If that isn’t clarifying just imagine a boyfriend, husband, s.o., which doesn’t share the same beliefs in states, knowing & understanding. What would it be like, just presence, actually hearing what you’re saying & responding, unfettered of such (separate) self referential activities of thought & reactionary actions & behaviors?
Then of course flip the scrip on yourself. How are you relationship wise? Are your theories even compatible with relationships in terms of authenticity, sincerity, transparency, honesty?
I for one wouldn’t hang around long. The ensuing manipulation just doesn’t resonate. This love isn’t coming from me. Enablement, codependency, emotional rollercoaster. No thanks. Pass.
Do you ever just sit back and think to yourself " what the hell I'm talking about "?
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9 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:
Maybe Phil doesn't know that there isn't a self.
What does this mean?
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@Phil how can you refer to yourself as I while claiming there is no self ?
Simple innocent question.
No need for warning.
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1 minute ago, Phil said:
If I were in your shoes, I certainly would not suppress blame or laugh it off.
20 minutes ago, Phil said:No self, no problem
There you go again..
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@Blessed2 happy for you bro . No ill feelings at all. Follow whatever resonates with ya .
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@Phil you still believe no one exists ? Damn man that's so 2018 🤣🙏
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3 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:
HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS HAPPINESS
That's ma boi🤙
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@Phil he is deluded because of you . You are responsible for this .
The strange dilemma that exists is that if we say life is a just a thought then we may be confining everything to being a perception being deciphered by our brain..and enter a mind/ body problem. Saying the whole world is a thought is no deferential than any other belief system.
When you are sick you go to the fucking doctor..you don't say illness is a thought .
ffs.
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4 hours ago, Blessed2 said:
It's a mindfuck how one thought a time "creates" entire worlds. Cause "entire world" is one thought.
How past and future is made up now with one thought.
"This is what will be felt in the future, this is what will be thought about in the future."
It's heartbreaking how many of us believe those thoughts. It's miserable to be swept in those thoughts.
Though not really heartbreaking, since there is no time and hence no-one is believing those thoughts and being swept anywhere.
Wake up.
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The shadow is the dark space that occurs when an object prevents the sunlight .
Shadow work is running after the shadow (at the day ) and trying to catch your own shadow .
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21 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:
Interesting. Thanks . Well I kinda understand at the basic level that there is no separation in existence. Stuff only appear separate..but if you use a super computer's camera and zoom in into any boundary between two seemingly separate objects you will see that there is no fine line that distinguishes object (A) from object (B)..but then again ..that's the underlying truth ..not the deceptive appearance. And we as long as we are under the illusion (which only something like a psychedelic trip can break it ) then we should act in accordance with the appearance aka separation.
@Phil you are certainly trolling at this point . Keep laughing with your wifey .
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2 minutes ago, Jonas Long said:
Actually so called science is coming to the conclusion that there is no such thing as separate selves.
Can you link a scientific paper to back up your claim ?
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Listen guys ..I'm from India..I know exactly about this unatman (no self ) from Buddhism. Buddhism is extremely limited religion and they believe in all sorts of mythologies. One of which is this thing about no self . Hinduism claims that there is the true Self or brahma..Buddhism rejects all self-identity..there isn't true self or false self ..there is just nobody home
Every Schmuck with more than zero brain cells knows that this is completely nonsensical.
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2 minutes ago, Orb said:
You're actually misunderstanding self realization. Self Realization doesn't mean never saying I or me
Yeah yeah yeah sure ..you can only say it when you want to and it won't be a mistake but when others say it you start blasting other's ears with "there is no you my dude " kinda horseshit.
How convenient?
He uses I and you and me and my wife ..and when others do the same he says these references are illusion. Just tell me what the fuck is going on here ?
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Here's what's happening folks ..phil gives you headache from repeating there is no you and there is no self and whatnot ..and at the same time he doesn't feel ashamed in the slightest to spout "i" and "you " whenever he wants . And when you tell him that he is contradicting himself he replies by spooky words like projecting or deflection or spiritual bypassing etc
He does not
address my actual point in the slightest.
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1 minute ago, Phil said:
I
Oh my fucking god 🤦♀️
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@Phil who would jump into the Zoom call 🤙?
What is a thought?
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@Robed Mystic
Lol.
Well I don't understand fully these expressions (I'm Indian as you know so I don't know all of English )...but I will say this ..what is happening is a paradigm-lock . Leo for example is so hooked on calling everything imaginary and that you are God. You can't convince him otherwise .not in a sextilion years lol. He doesn't understand that you are both God and human simultaneously. Just like when Jesus said whoever saw me saw the father. But in other places in the Bible he says I'm a mere mortal human.. and your father (God )is in the heavens.
Likewise..forget about convincing Phil that there IS a Self ..he is paradigm locked. To him this the cream of the crop of all spiritual teachings ..he does not understand that he is God .
I think this conversation is pointless mental masturbation. Everyone is paradigm locked and defending his perspective as gospel and doesn't want to try to understand a different perspective. It's close mindedness.