Jonas Long
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Lol yep
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Willy Mother F’ing Wonka,
Just seeing if that's still a thing
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2 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:
What do you mean why? He isn't really anyway, it's allegorical. All early religions had a resurrection/solar God.
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3 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:
Nonduality, not 2
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1 minute ago, Isagi Yoichi said:
All resurrection gods are based on the sun cycle, from Horace to Jesus, that's why Christian holidays are the same days as the pagan ones and the ones before that.
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3 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:
this Jesus cycle thing
Birth/death/resurrection corresponds to the solstices.
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5 minutes ago, Isagi Yoichi said:
i dont know what is that?
What is what?
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As far as the son of God thing, it's interesting that the Jesus cycle coincides with the waning and waxing of the "sun". In a person's birth chart the position of the sun informs the sense of "self". But where is the boundary between self and other?
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Just now, Isagi Yoichi said:
yeah in the quran its the same too the word our is used even tough its god who is speaking
And somehow, they are referred to as "he" all the time, and so-called Bible thumpers are among the biggest objectors to "they/them" pronouns. The irony just gets deeper and darker, the harder they seem to "believe".
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Ever notice gods pronouns are our/ours? Seems so conspicuously overlooked for some reason.
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3 hours ago, A Tim said:
I wouldn't say it's invalid. There's just something uncomfortable about it.
Is it uncomfortable in and of itself, or is resisting it, or feeling like it's bad to be identifying with it uncomfortable? Could you ever feel comfortable without the idea or possibility of discomfort? Is this thought more important than the next one?
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5 minutes ago, Orb said:
Please understand, this has nothing to do with thoughts.
It's like having a clear/calm mind, then seeing your dad who used to beat you as a kid and then a trigger arises.
I just don't want to hear "oh this is just thoughts believed" 😭😭
You just heard/said it, of course you don't need to hear it, that would be redundant.
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I don't think there's anything necessarily invalid about the collection of thoughts and feelings and qualities that consist of what "you" apparently identify with most closely or consistently, it's just you're not limited to them, and there isn't an actual boundary between those apparent things and all others.
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Stop doing things I don't like so I can be happy.
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8 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
Well that's very kind of you. I appreciate the mercy shown. But to me, I'd prefer death over being a scientific experiment. Nothing personal of course.
Well, unfortunately for you, it would bring more peace to my family to have you shot into space.
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2 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
I admire your enthusiasm and positivism. In fact- without that - you couldn't exist. At least not with any piece of mind. But sadly you must realize there are individuals in this world that are beyond saving. You cannot simply shift these individuals around. You must deal with them.
Exactly. Like you. I don't want to have you executed, but Im not necessarily opposed to shooting you into space, or deep sea as a test subject to further scientific exploration and more knowledge of the world. Nobody is so shitty they can't be put to some sort of use. Seems a waste just to "waste" them.
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3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
Lower is only lower relative to upper right?
Keep sailing. We're in the same ship brother- we are just trying to stay afloat. Together, we just might.
The boat we are in includes those on death row, you're the one trying to sink it quicker.
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3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
That's a lot of questions. I could address them one by one - or I could completely ignore them. I guess the choice is mine and how lazy I want to be on a given day. But I do want to thank you for engaging with me in this elegant dialogue. Which, if we strip away all bias, can yield some positive results.
Let me address the question of false positives first.
Yea, false positives are an unfortunate possibility. We must strive in the judicial system to try to cut those types of errors off at the head - but statistically we know that this isn't possible. So - the question comes to bear - is this just an error that can be written off? For now - yes. But in the future we should be able to narrow our false positives down to almost zero. And that should be our goal.
Well, my opinion of you already couldn't get any lower before this conversation happened so, nothing gained or lost here.
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Who's gonna murder the murderers who murdered the murderers? You know, so their families can have peace. And then who's gonna murder the murderers who murdered the murderers who murdered the first murderers? Who gets to decide which murders are legit and just and bringing peace to families? And how quickly can we expedite all of this? Eventually...if we just keep murdering...we'll run out if murderers? Oh wait...that won't work. So, some murderers get to live, obviously, but, how far down the chain?
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3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
You raise an excellent point.
Positive, of course, is relative to negative. Thus - it really depends on context. So let's set the context. The context here is over crowded prison systems which ultimately cause problems not only with the system but also for the economy. It could cause tax increases and many other factors. But the biggest positive, I feel, is for the families of those affected by the killing or the crime itself. For those families, justice is not served until the individual that took away their loved one is put to death.
Yes - it does exist now but the process can be expedited and enhanced, thus making more room in the prison system and also bringing quicker peace to more families.
So, it's not really your idea, is it? Your idea is basically "do what we already have but quicker". How long will the surplus of "room in the prison system" last before it fills right back up in your scenario do you think? Have you ever heard of a case where someone was on death row wrongfully and released decades later when the evidence of their innocence came to light? Would overlooking these cases be a worthwhile casualty in your version?
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3 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:
You did miss it. I said they can be executed.
How is that "positive" "meaningful" or different from what there is now?
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1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:
I've been playing with AI all day and you can see my dialogue posted on Actualized.org, so I'm in an AI kind of mood.
My comments about the death penalty could indeed be me talking about myself in ignorance- but it could also be me trying to come up with positive, meaningful solutions to the problem of the over crowded prison system due to repeat offenders. This is a problem that not only crowds our system but also creates the false ideology that certain murderers can be properly rehabilitated. In truth, not all can be saved.
Have you suggested one positive meaningful solution yet? Did I miss it?
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Every person in prison is a product of their environment. The only real solution is to change that environment going forward.
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1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:
I'm talking about the death row ones so it goes beyond just violent criminals but it's in that arena. Murderers and rapists.
There aren't any murderers or rapists, really. Same options.
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